[Bcma-l] War Museum - Bias, Accuracy and Context
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Where does it end?How many viewpoint can there be?And still there'll be =
others weeping because their views weren't put on.
What is the role of an history museum?
To present the factual history or an array of differing opinions?=20
Larry A. Ewashen, Curator & General Manager
The Doukhobor Discovery Centre
112 Heritage Way, Castlegar V1N 4M5
1-250-365-5327
www.Doukhobor-Museum.org
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From: bcma-l-admin@museumsassn.bc.ca=20
To: bcma-l@museumsassn.bc.ca=20
Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 5:37 PM
Subject: RE: [Bcma-l] War Museum - Bias, Accuracy and Context
Hello -
I am also following this discussion with interest. My question: why =
does
there have to be one, authoritative voice on a printed panel? Why not
display multiple voices, multiple views, comments, discussion...what a
lovely opportunity for the museum to promote a dialogue.
Kathleen Trayner
Alizarin Consulting
Victoria BC
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From: bcma-l-admin@museumsassn.bc.ca =
[mailto:bcma-l-admin@museumsassn.bc.ca]
Sent: September 10, 2007 10:51 AM
To: bcma-l@museumsassn.bc.ca
Subject: Re: [Bcma-l] War Museum - Bias, Accuracy and Context
Hello all,
I am finding this discussion to be very interesting.
The sheer volume of email!
I have also had the experience of being criticized for
panel text and other published items. There are many
positions attached to any subject.
Trying to be factual and unbiased is, I believe, the
goal of most museums.
The point of whose voice is in an exhibit is usually
brought up in courses on this topic (Curator's voice
or others?). Context is also considered extremely
important in exhibits.
When I read the text panel under discussion it
screamed at me that there is the voice of someone from
today with a distinct bias talking. While likely
"accurate" it leaves out an important statement of
"Context or the whole picture" - a media trick I have
noticed time and again. Although I am unable to see
the whole exhibit and feel the overall context, it is
clear that there is a problem of a missing contextual
statement or the veterans would not likely be so
upset.
Although I stepped back from the museum world I am
still very interested in what happens there.
Carry on!
Kim Allen
Heritage Details
Your Personal Shopper for Quality Period Hardware,
Lighting, Fixtures and Finishes for New Construction
and Restoration projects.
Mail: Box 3335, Mission, BC V2V 4J5
Ph: 604.826.7678
--- bcma-l-admin@museumsassn.bc.ca wrote:
> I would like to clarify my position slightly - I did
> not mean to say that I agree with the position on
> the contentious interpretive panel - everything on
> said panel is true, but it is presented in a "biased
> and unbalanced" way. I have seen the panel myself
> and although it hardly gave me pause as I think back
> on it, I never reflected on how a Bomber Command
> veteran would see it. I did think it was a little
> incongruous. I think that it is good to show all
> sides of an issue and the human costs of war, but I
> would not call the bombing of German cities as part
> of total war "an Enduring Controversy." Although
> it seems creating something of an enduring
> controversial debate in the museum community!
>
>
> Andrew R. Minigan
> Curator
> North Pacific Historic Fishing Village
> PO Box 1109
> 1889 Skeena Drive
> Port Edward BC V0V 1G0
> Website: www.cannery.ca
>
> Email: northpac@citytel.net
> Site Phone: 250-628-3538
> Fax: 250-628-3540
>
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: bcma-l-admin@museumsassn.bc.ca
> To: bcma-l@museumsassn.bc.ca
> Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 12:26 PM
> Subject: Re: [Bcma-l] War Museum - Autonomy in
> research and interpretation for educational
> institutions?
>
>
> I think museums should show the whole truth even
> if it is unpalatable to some. Would you go to the
> Killing Fields in Cambodia and tell them to "tone
> down" their interpretive displays?
>
> Yes, we carpet bombed German cities, in
> retaliation for the targeting of civilians by German
> forces. Hundreds of thousands were killed. An
> example of "total war," a doctrine which states that
> civilians are part of the social and industrial war
> machine and thus must be considered as enemy
> combatants. Therefore, according to the strategic
> doctrines of the day, destroying German cities was
> perfectly legitimate as an act of war. Besides,
> Nazi Germany was busy exterminating the Jews of
> Europe. I think war museums should not try to
> impose any kind of moral judgement in their
> interpretation - the horrors of war speak for
> themselves and let the visitor make his or her own
> moral judgements or conclusions based on the
> information presented.
>
> The USA not only firebombed Japanese cities like
> Tokyo, they also dropped 2 nuclear weapons on
> civilian targets during the war. I wonder if they
> have these types of soul-searching dialogues in
> their museum community?
> North Pacific Historic Fishing Village
> PO Box 1109
> 1889 Skeena Drive
> Port Edward BC V0V 1G0
> Website: www.cannery.ca
>
> Email: northpac@citytel.net
> Site Phone: 250-628-3538
> Fax: 250-628-3540
>
> WE ARE OPEN - Monday thru Saturday 10am-7:30pm
> (Sundays 10am to 5pm)
>
>
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: bcma-l-admin@museumsassn.bc.ca
> To: bcma-l@museumsassn.bc.ca
> Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 3:50 PM
> Subject: Re: [Bcma-l] War Museum - Autonomy in
> research and interpretation for educational
> institutions?
>
>
> But surely the truth remains the truth. If you
> choose to censor the facts because of the fear of
> loss of funding, you are still masking the truth: a
> deeply disturbing state of affairs for any
> institution which lists education as part of its
> mandate. Surely the way forward would be to work
> with your funding agency (I admit, this could lead
> to a stale-mate) and educate them so that they
> realize that what you're attempting is not a
> personal attack, but a reflection on an historical
> incident which has a variety of sides to it, pro and
> con. With consultation, incendiary or emotive
> language can be edited while the truth (the death of
> hundreds of thousands of unarmed and non-military
> citizens) remains intact.
>
>
> I feel very strongly about this topic. Both my
> father and my husband fought in WWII (unusual for
> someone my age, I know) and both felt deeply ashamed
> of the allied carpet bombing of parts of Germany. I
> agree with the letter writer in the Times Colonist
> this a.m. who stated, point blank, that the flight
> crews themselves were only obeying orders. As for
> the men who dreamt up the atrocity..........
>
>
>
>
> Patricia Kidd, M.A., Cultural Historian
> 1025 Moss Street
> Victoria B.C. Canada
> V8V 4P2
> (250)382-2543
>
>
>
>
> On 4-Sep-07, at 11:43 AM,
> bcma-l-admin@museumsassn.bc.ca wrote:
>
>
> I believe that an educational institution is
> usually accountable to its funders and is not really
> autonomous. Any granting agency or benefactor has
> its things they want to fund. If you don't want to
> do those things, then of course you don't have to ...
> but you also don't receive their funding.
>
>
>
> A city museum is accountable through the
> administration to its City Council which in turn is
> accountable to the citizens. Such a museum might
> wish to address issues of racial prejudice for
> example in that city, but the reality is that they
> might not be able to do so in the way that staff
> might want to. Sometimes it is in the timing. The
> Vancouver Museumnow has an exhibit about the
> Japanese in Vancouver but the issue of the forced
> evacuation in 1942 could not have been addressed by
> them at the time. Even a museum of an educational
> facility (e.g. MOA) might face censorship if staff
> decided in the name of educational freedom to
> address a very controversial and emotional topic.
> Sometimes it is self-censorship - reading the
> situation and realizing that discretion is the
> better part of valour sometimes. On the other hand,
> a
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history museum?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Franklin Gothic Demi Cond" color=3D#808000>To present =
the factual=20
history or an array of differing opinions? </FONT></DIV>
<DIV>Larry A. Ewashen, Curator & General Manager<BR>The Doukhobor =
Discovery=20
Centre<BR>112 Heritage Way, Castlegar V1N 4M5<BR>1-250-365-5327<BR><A=20
href=3D"http://www.Doukhobor-Museum.org">www.Doukhobor-Museum.org</A><BR>=
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: [Bcma-l] War =
Museum - Bias,=20
Accuracy and Context</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Hello -<BR><BR><BR>I am also following this discussion =
with=20
interest. My question: why does<BR>there have to be one, =
authoritative=20
voice on a printed panel? Why not<BR>display multiple voices, =
multiple=20
views, comments, discussion...what a<BR>lovely opportunity for the =
museum to=20
promote a dialogue.<BR><BR>Kathleen Trayner<BR>Alizarin =
Consulting<BR>Victoria=20
BC<BR><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: <A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:bcma-l-admin@museumsassn.bc.ca">bcma-l-admin@museumsassn.b=
c.ca</A>=20
[mailto:bcma-l-admin@museumsassn.bc.ca]<BR>Sent: September 10, 2007 =
10:51=20
AM<BR>To: <A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:bcma-l@museumsassn.bc.ca">bcma-l@museumsassn.bc.ca</A><BR>=
Subject:=20
Re: [Bcma-l] War Museum - Bias, Accuracy and Context<BR><BR>Hello=20
all,<BR><BR>I am finding this discussion to be very =
interesting.<BR>The sheer=20
volume of email!<BR><BR>I have also had the experience of being =
criticized=20
for<BR>panel text and other published items. There are =
many<BR>positions=20
attached to any subject.<BR><BR>Trying to be factual and unbiased is, =
I=20
believe, the<BR>goal of most museums.<BR>The point of whose voice is =
in an=20
exhibit is usually<BR>brought up in courses on this topic (Curator's=20
voice<BR>or others?). Context is also considered =
extremely<BR>important in=20
exhibits.<BR><BR>When I read the text panel under discussion =
it<BR>screamed at=20
me that there is the voice of someone from<BR>today with a distinct =
bias=20
talking. While likely<BR>"accurate" it leaves out an important =
statement=20
of<BR>"Context or the whole picture" - a media trick I have<BR>noticed =
time=20
and again. Although I am unable to see<BR>the whole exhibit and feel =
the=20
overall context, it is<BR>clear that there is a problem of a missing=20
contextual<BR>statement or the veterans would not likely be=20
so<BR>upset.<BR><BR>Although I stepped back from the museum world I=20
am<BR>still very interested in what happens there.<BR>Carry =
on!<BR><BR>Kim=20
Allen<BR>Heritage Details<BR>Your Personal Shopper for Quality Period=20
Hardware,<BR>Lighting, Fixtures and Finishes for New =
Construction<BR>and=20
Restoration projects.<BR>Mail: Box 3335, Mission, BC V2V =
4J5<BR>Ph:=20
604.826.7678<BR><BR><BR>--- <A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:bcma-l-admin@museumsassn.bc.ca">bcma-l-admin@museumsassn.b=
c.ca</A>=20
wrote:<BR><BR>> I would like to clarify my position slightly - I=20
did<BR>> not mean to say that I agree with the position on<BR>> =
the=20
contentious interpretive panel - everything on<BR>> said panel is =
true, but=20
it is presented in a "biased<BR>> and unbalanced" way. I have =
seen=20
the panel myself<BR>> and although it hardly gave me pause as I =
think=20
back<BR>> on it, I never reflected on how a Bomber Command<BR>> =
veteran=20
would see it. I did think it was a little<BR>> =
incongruous. I=20
think that it is good to show all<BR>> sides of an issue and the =
human=20
costs of war, but I<BR>> would not call the bombing of German =
cities as=20
part<BR>> of total war "an Enduring Controversy." =20
Although<BR>> it seems creating something of an enduring<BR>>=20
controversial debate in the museum community!<BR>><BR>><BR>> =
Andrew=20
R. Minigan<BR>> Curator<BR>> North Pacific Historic Fishing=20
Village<BR>> PO Box 1109<BR>> 1889 Skeena Drive<BR>> Port =
Edward=20
BC V0V 1G0<BR>> Website: <A=20
href=3D"http://www.cannery.ca">www.cannery.ca</A><BR>><BR>> =
Email: <A=20
href=3D"mailto:northpac@citytel.net">northpac@citytel.net</A><BR>> =
Site=20
Phone: 250-628-3538<BR>> Fax: 250-628-3540<BR>><BR>> WE ARE =
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c.ca</A><BR>> =20
To: <A=20
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href=3D"mailto:bcma-l@museumsassn.bc.ca">bcma-l@museumsassn.bc.ca</A><BR>=
> =20
Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 12:26 PM<BR>> =
Subject: Re:=20
[Bcma-l] War Museum - Autonomy in<BR>> research and interpretation =
for=20
educational<BR>> =
institutions?<BR>><BR>><BR>> I=20
think museums should show the whole truth even<BR>> if it is =
unpalatable to=20
some. Would you go to the<BR>> Killing Fields in Cambodia and =
tell=20
them to "tone<BR>> down" their interpretive=20
displays?<BR>><BR>> Yes, we carpet bombed German =
cities,=20
in<BR>> retaliation for the targeting of civilians by =
German<BR>>=20
forces. Hundreds of thousands were killed. An<BR>> =
example of=20
"total war," a doctrine which states that<BR>> civilians are part =
of the=20
social and industrial war<BR>> machine and thus must be considered =
as=20
enemy<BR>> combatants. Therefore, according to the =
strategic<BR>>=20
doctrines of the day, destroying German cities was<BR>> perfectly=20
legitimate as an act of war. Besides,<BR>> Nazi Germany was =
busy=20
exterminating the Jews of<BR>> Europe. I think war museums =
should not=20
try to<BR>> impose any kind of moral judgement in their<BR>>=20
interpretation - the horrors of war speak for<BR>> themselves and =
let the=20
visitor make his or her own<BR>> moral judgements or conclusions =
based on=20
the<BR>> information presented.<BR>><BR>> The USA =
not=20
only firebombed Japanese cities like<BR>> Tokyo, they also dropped =
2=20
nuclear weapons on<BR>> civilian targets during the war. I =
wonder if=20
they<BR>> have these types of soul-searching dialogues in<BR>> =
their=20
museum community?<BR>> North Pacific Historic Fishing=20
Village<BR>> PO Box 1109<BR>> 1889 =
Skeena=20
Drive<BR>> Port Edward BC V0V =
1G0<BR>> =20
Website: <A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.cannery.ca">www.cannery.ca</A><BR>><BR>> &n=
bsp;=20
Email: <A=20
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-----<BR>> From: <A=20
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To: <A=20
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Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 3:50 =
PM<BR>> =20
Subject: Re: [Bcma-l] War Museum - Autonomy in<BR>> research and=20
interpretation for educational<BR>>=20
institutions?<BR>><BR>><BR>> But =
surely the=20
truth remains the truth. If you<BR>> choose to censor the =
facts=20
because of the fear of<BR>> loss of funding, you are still masking =
the=20
truth: a<BR>> deeply disturbing state of affairs for =
any<BR>>=20
institution which lists education as part of its<BR>> =
mandate. Surely=20
the way forward would be to work<BR>> with your funding agency (I =
admit,=20
this could lead<BR>> to a stale-mate) and educate them so that =
they<BR>>=20
realize that what you're attempting is not a<BR>> personal attack, =
but a=20
reflection on an historical<BR>> incident which has a variety of =
sides to=20
it, pro and<BR>> con. With consultation, incendiary or=20
emotive<BR>> language can be edited while the truth (the death =
of<BR>>=20
hundreds of thousands of unarmed and non-military<BR>> citizens) =
remains=20
intact.<BR>><BR>><BR>> I feel very =
strongly=20
about this topic. Both my<BR>> father and my husband fought =
in WWII=20
(unusual for<BR>> someone my age, I know) and both felt deeply=20
ashamed<BR>> of the allied carpet bombing of parts of =
Germany. =20
I<BR>> agree with the letter writer in the Times Colonist<BR>> =
this a.m.=20
who stated, point blank, that the flight<BR>> crews themselves were =
only=20
obeying orders. As for<BR>> the men who dreamt up the=20
=
atrocity..........<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> &nb=
sp; =20
Patricia Kidd, M.A., Cultural =
Historian<BR>> 1025=20
Moss Street<BR>> Victoria B.C.=20
Canada<BR>> V8V =
4P2<BR>> =20
=
(250)382-2543<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> &n=
bsp;=20
On 4-Sep-07, at 11:43 AM,<BR>> <A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:bcma-l-admin@museumsassn.bc.ca">bcma-l-admin@museumsassn.b=
c.ca</A>=20
wrote:<BR>><BR>><BR>> I =
believe=20
that an educational institution is<BR>> usually accountable to its =
funders=20
and is not really<BR>> autonomous. Any granting agency or =
benefactor=20
has<BR>> its things they want to fund. If you don't want to<BR>> =
do=20
those things, then of course you don't have to ...<BR>> but you =
also don't=20
receive their=20
=
funding.<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> &nb=
sp; A=20
city museum is accountable through the<BR>> administration to its =
City=20
Council which in turn is<BR>> accountable to the citizens. Such a =
museum=20
might<BR>> wish to address issues of racial prejudice for<BR>> =
example=20
in that city, but the reality is that they<BR>> might not be able =
to do so=20
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