[Bcma-l] 1865 cane presented by Governor Seymour to Fraser River chiefs for sale - correction on URL

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Correction on Paper of Record web site URL:   www.paperofrecord.com
<http://www.paperofrecord.com/> =20

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This site is a MUST for museum and genealogy researchers! Check it out.
It used to cost $100 a year but is now FREE.=20

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COLIN

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Colin MacGregor Stevens,

Manager,

New Westminster Museum and Archives,

302 Royal Avenue,

New Westminster, BC,=20

V3L 1H7

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Phone Office:    604-527-4639

Work Cellular : 604-830-6965

Fax:                  604-527-4641

E-mail: cstevens@newwestcity.ca=20

Web Site: www.newwestminster.ca=20

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From: bcma-l-admin@museumsassn.bc.ca
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Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 5:05 PM
To: bcma-l@museumsassn.bc.ca
Subject: [Bcma-l] 1865 cane presented by Governor Seymour to Fraser
River chiefs for sale

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A retired antiques dealer has for sale one of the 100 canes (aka "staff"
or "mace") about 5 feet long presented by Governor Seymour in 1865 to
"Fraser River Indians" to celebrate the Queen's Birthday. As 100 were
presented among about 3,500 native attendees, it is likely that they
were presented to chiefs. The canes were ordered from England in 1864
during the Chilcotin War in an effort to reassure the native populace
that even though Governor Douglas had retired, they were still
recognized by the government. The canes appear to me to be 1865 vintage
military Drum Majors' maces. There are no markings - neither maker's nor
presenter's. There is no clear provenance but have no reason to doubt
the seller's story.=20

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The brief story of these canes appears at the bottom of page 206 in
"British Columbia: A History" by Margaret A. Ormsby 1958 Presumably
there would be some mention of the purchase and presentation in the
colonial papers and newspapers in 1864 and 1865. A search on
www.paperofrecod.com <http://www.paperofrecod.com/> would likely yield
results.=20

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A photo of one of these "canes" in use historically is at BC Archives #
B-03803 "Group of Interior Salish"=20

http://www.bcarchives.gov.bc.ca/cgi-bin/www2i/.visual/img_med/dir_105/b_
03803.gif=20

The one in this photograph appears to be identical to the two that I
have examined (RBCM storage one and the one for sale by the collector).=20

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I have located two others, both held by the Royal BC Museum. One is in
storage at RBCM and appears to be identical to the one for sale except
that the one for sale is complete with the orb and cross at the top (it
screws in). The second one, which I did not view, was later located in
the Legislature in Victoria and has apparently been shortened.  Thank
you Dr. Lorne Hammond for your research assistance and access to study
RBCM's specimen.

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Does anyone know of any other surviving examples and/or other photos?=20

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I have photos that I took of this item and I can forward them to
interested parties. The price the owner has set is $20,000.00

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As Governor Seymour was here in the capital city of New Westminster at
the time we have an interest of course but not the means.=20

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I would suggest that this cane would be a good very early artifact for a
First Peoples' museum located along the Fraser River as it is likely
that each band was originally presented with one. =20

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I am not involved in this sale other than passing on the information and
providing contact between interested parties.

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Colin MacGregor Stevens,

Manager,

New Westminster Museum and Archives,

302 Royal Avenue,

New Westminster, BC,=20

V3L 1H7

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Phone Office:    604-527-4639

Work Cellular : 604-830-6965

Fax:                  604-527-4641

E-mail: cstevens@newwestcity.ca=20

Web Site: www.newwestminster.ca=20

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This site is a MUST for museum and
genealogy researchers! Check it out. It used to cost $100 a year but is =
now
FREE.

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<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b>
bcma-l-admin@museumsassn.bc.ca [mailto:bcma-l-admin@museumsassn.bc.ca] =
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<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, August =
07, 2008
5:05 PM<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> =
bcma-l@museumsassn.bc.ca<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> [Bcma-l] 1865 =
cane
presented by Governor Seymour to Fraser River chiefs for =
sale</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>

A retired =
antiques dealer
has for sale one of the 100 canes (aka &#8220;staff&#8221; or
&#8220;mace&#8221;) about 5 feet long presented by Governor Seymour in =
1865 to
&#8220;Fraser River Indians&#8221; to celebrate the Queen&#8217;s =
Birthday. As
100 were presented among about 3,500 native attendees, it is likely that =
they
were presented to chiefs. The canes were ordered from England in 1864 =
during
the Chilcotin War in an effort to reassure the native populace that even =
though
Governor Douglas had retired, they were still recognized by the =
government. The
canes appear to me to be 1865 vintage military Drum Majors&#8217; maces. =
There
are no markings &#8211; neither maker&#8217;s nor presenter&#8217;s. =
There is
no clear provenance but have no reason to doubt the seller&#8217;s =
story.

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
lang=3DEN-CA =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>

The brief =
story of these
canes appears at the bottom of page 206 in &#8220;British Columbia: A
History&#8221; by Margaret A. Ormsby 1958 Presumably there would be some =
mention
of the purchase and presentation in the colonial papers and newspapers =
in 1864
and 1865. A search on <a =
href=3D"http://www.paperofrecod.com/">www.paperofrecod.com</a>
would likely yield results.

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
lang=3DEN-CA =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
lang=3DEN-CA style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>A photo of one =
of these
&#8220;canes&#8221; in use historically is at BC Archives # B-03803
&#8220;Group of Interior Salish&#8221; </span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
lang=3DEN-CA style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><a
href=3D"http://www.bcarchives.gov.bc.ca/cgi-bin/www2i/.visual/img_med/dir=
_105/b_03803.gif">http://www.bcarchives.gov.bc.ca/cgi-bin/www2i/.visual/i=
mg_med/dir_105/b_03803.gif</a>
</span></font></p>

The one in =
this photograph
appears to be identical to the two that I have examined (RBCM storage =
one and
the one for sale by the collector).

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
lang=3DEN-CA =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>

I have located =
two
others, both held by the Royal BC Museum. One is in storage at RBCM and =
appears
to be identical to the one for sale except that the one for sale is =
complete
with the orb and cross at the top (it screws in). The second one, which =
I did
not view, was later located in the Legislature in Victoria and has =
apparently
been shortened. &nbsp;Thank you Dr. Lorne Hammond for your research =
assistance
and access to study RBCM&#8217;s specimen.

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
lang=3DEN-CA =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>

Does anyone =
know of any
other surviving examples and/or other photos?

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
lang=3DEN-CA =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>

I have photos =
that I took
of this item and I can forward them to interested parties. The price the =
owner
has set is $20,000.00

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
lang=3DEN-CA =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>

As Governor =
Seymour was
here in the capital city of New Westminster at the time we have an =
interest of
course but not the means.

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
lang=3DEN-CA =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>

I would =
suggest that this
cane would be a good very early artifact for a First Peoples&#8217; =
museum
located along the Fraser River as it is likely that each band was =
originally
presented with one. &nbsp;

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
lang=3DEN-CA =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
lang=3DEN-CA style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>I am not =
involved in this
sale other than passing on the information and providing contact between
interested parties.</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
lang=3DEN-CA =
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face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>Colin MacGregor Stevens,</span></font></p>

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