[Bcma-l] Summer Student funding confirmation delay

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Thanks for this discussion. And I agree with the others regarding mature
students who are upgrading and who also need summer employment.  One such
student came down, found the age limitation and screamed 'Discrimination'.
She was going to write a letter to our local MP. 

Our local office is wonderful but of course they are hampered by what comes
down the chute from the Federal Government. 

Have a great summer everyone.

Teedie 
Powell River Museum

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From: bcma-l-admin@museumsassn.bc.ca [mailto:bcma-l-admin@museumsassn.bc.ca]

Sent: May 14, 2008 16:22
To: bcma-l@museumsassn.bc.ca
Subject: RE: [Bcma-l] Summer Student funding confirmation delay

Thank you all for bringing up this issue.  For some of us, even in a large
institution, this is a very important source of staff hours.  In the past, I
have had to decline funding when I could not find a suitable candidate.
This really hurts and hopefully could be avoided.

Young Canada Works! Has been a wonderful program and we are very thankful
for every cent that we get.  It would be just so much easier if we could be
notified of approval in a more timely fashion.

The issue of age is also important.  Students who are in the process of
changing career or in graduate school are frequently past the age limit and
should be considered.  I am usually searching for students of librarianship
and archival studies - the average age of students in these programs is 35.

Please let me know what to sign, to whom I should address my distress.  I
think that this is an important issue for the BCMA to address.

Cheryl Siegel     

Cheryl Siegel | Librarian | Vancouver Art Gallery | 750 Hornby St. |
Vancouver, BC | V6Z 2H7 | 604-662-4709  | fax 604-682-1086 |
www.vanartgallery.bc.ca

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From: bcma-l-admin@museumsassn.bc.ca [mailto:bcma-l-admin@museumsassn.bc.ca]

Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 9:21 AM
To: bcma-l@museumsassn.bc.ca
Cc: 'Maple Ridge Museum & Archives'
Subject: RE: [Bcma-l] Summer Student funding confirmation delay

Thank-you Bill and well said!!

I would also put forth it is not just BC North and Interior museums that are
finding student recruitment difficult.  In Maple Ridge we received enough
applications to fill the positions that were funded by Canada Summer Jobs
however by the time we can actually confirm with our new hires that the
funding is in - they have taken other jobs that start earlier and pay more.

In a labour market like the lower mainland, where there are more jobs than
qualified people to taken them, even our local Dairy Queen has upped the
starting wage to $11.00 per hour to start.  It is really great that the
money is there for us this year and that heritage was added as a CSJ
priority to help ensure that money is there, however it is not helpful if we
can not find the good students to fill the jobs!

I think there is something to seriously be addressed the BCMA here.  That
CSJ and YCW need to address the need for funding confirmations early and in
a more stable manner.  I believe that a strongly worded letter from the BCMA
indicating the memberships concerns is the MINIMUM that should be done. If
the BCMA is not willing to act as our agent on this issue perhaps we can
draft a letter to our MP's with our concerns and ask for a review of the
funding timelines.

Jordana Feist

Curator

Maple Ridge Museum and Community Archives

22520-116th Ave Maple Ridge V2X 0S5

Haney House Museum

11612-224th Street Maple Ridge V2X 5Z7

mrm-jordana@uniserve.com

http://mapleridgemuseum.blogspot.com/

604-463-5311

History is a guide to navigation in perilous times. History is who we are
and why we are the way we are. -  David C. McCullough

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From: bcma-l-admin@museumsassn.bc.ca [mailto:bcma-l-admin@museumsassn.bc.ca]

Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 2:02 PM
To: bcma-l@museumsassn.bc.ca
Subject: RE: [Bcma-l] Summer Student funding confirmation delay

May 13, 2008 

Re:  Issues with funding.

I cannot agree more with what Rosaleen Ward put forward with regard to
funding.  I would suggest a series of changes with regard to grant funding
for the museum/library fields that depend on summer grant programs to
operate.  It has been increasingly difficult to staff positions in the
north.  The Businesses at Barkerville have been feeling the crunch as well,
as students and young people find positions that are more financially
rewarding prior to the disbursement of grants.  This has been going on in
the business world for a little longer, but is similar to the issues we in
the museum community have been feeling for several years - outside of the
normal issue of having funding distributed at the wrong time of the year and
inconsistently - there are not sufficient young people to operate
effectively and the wages are not sufficient to attract young people from
other more lucrative opportunities.

Governments operate on a yearly budget - voted on usually at the beginning
of April or thereabouts.  Any delays in distribution of voted funds are
reflected in late adjudication of any grants.  This is a huge problem for
recruitment purposes and for being able to sustain a normal planning phase
for the work flow.  If grants were voted on for distribution prior to April
1st - say by the end of December, then we would be able to recruit with
confidence that we can actually hire someone to carry out a plan.  As it is,
we scramble each year when the funds come down for both students and getting
our programs in place.  Last year was a nightmare.  This year, notifications
were actually faster for Young Canada Works, but a little on the slow side
for Canada Summer Jobs.  The design of these grants is not for the consumer,
but for the voter.  The amounts actually distributed are relatively small
compared with most other Government expenditures, especially in light of the
fact that cultural institutions add tremendously to the economy in
relationship to real costs - especially in non-suburban areas where they
help circulate money in regions where boom and bust is a fact of life, but
also the back bone of the general Canadian economy.  Grants could be
simplified by establishing a body that the funds could be transferred to in
the year prior to the actual expenditures.  It is not like we would be
distributing huge sums of money or setting up a body that does not already
exist if it was say the BCMA or the CMA.  

Another issue that I have with the granting system is the age limits.  I
have been told by workers in the agencies that this would never change.  Not
only are age limits discriminatory for older students/people, it limits our
ability to fill positions in an economy where young people are no longer the
group that should be targeted.

Another issue that is part of the problem is that Governments also fear
having employees and try to guard against this by not entering situations
where they are obliged to support an institution.  There is the fear of
having to have large payouts for laying off people; fear of coherent
collective actions that might be a cost burden to the tax payer; fear of
having a capital/operational cost and a potential threat to their mandate
and a fear that anything that does not have an immediately visible return
(i.e. I will sell you this bag of chips for $1 and I get $0.30 cents for
doing so).  Analysis of cultural value in real dollars has demonstrated time
and time again, that having a well functioning cultural institution that
works with other elements of our society provides not only the ephemeral
emotional aspects of respect for history/ideas/ideals/creativity, etc. but
pays off in cash.  I am still trying to figure out why Scotland with not
much more population and a lot less land mass (than B.C.) can put in five
times as much money into heritage - remember this is Scotland, the land with
the reputation for having people who are quite prudent in their
expenditures.  As a tax payer, I can see the obligation point.  But, I can
also understand economics that point to a better method of dealing with the
Cultural situation.  In the past I have suggested that a Foundation be
established for this purpose into which Governments might place endowments
with the aim towards stability in the Cultural sector.  But, this was not
commented on, except for one person who indicated that they did not want to
have another foundation.  But, I have not heard any other suggestions to
effect change.  Is the status quo suitable then?  Is this what people in the
Cultural sector want - late grants and no employees?  Or, are these concerns
only for people like Rosaleen and myself - in the frozen north?  

W. (Bill) G. Quackenbush, Curator 
Barkerville Historic Town, 
Box 19, Barkerville, B.C.  V0K 1B0 
Telephone: 1-888-994-3332; ex. 25 
Fax: 1-250-994-3435 
bill.quackenbush@barkerville.ca 
visit - www.barkerville.ca for general information 

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From: bcma-l-admin@museumsassn.bc.ca [mailto:bcma-l-admin@museumsassn.bc.ca]

Sent: May 9, 2008 2:31 PM
To: bcma-l@museumsassn.bc.ca
Subject: [Bcma-l] Summer Student funding confirmation delay

For some organizations the confirmation of funding has come too late - many
of the students here in the northern communities have already found
positions.  Museums and libraries received calls saying that they would
probably receive funding but the confirmation did not come through for
another 3 - 4 weeks.  I have heard this is because the government was slow
in releasing confirmation of funding to Service Canada.

Maybe the government should be made aware of the consequences of these
delays.  Unfortunately, it is Service Canada's beleaguered front line staff
who often have to bear the brunt of people's frustrations.

Rosaleen Ward

Museum Coordinator

Hudson's Hope Museum

9510 Beattie Drive

Box 98

Hudson's Hope

BC V0C 1V0

Phone (250) 783 5735

Fax (250) 783 5770

e mail hhmuseum@pris.ca

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color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Thanks for this discussion. And I agree =
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others regarding&nbsp;mature students who are upgrading and who also =
need summer=20
employment.&nbsp; One such student came down, found the age limitation =
and=20
screamed 'Discrimination'.&nbsp; She was going to write a letter to our =
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MP. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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face=3DArial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Our local office is wonderful but of course =
they are=20
hampered by what comes down the chute from the Federal Government.=20
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<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D359533018-15052008><FONT =
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everyone.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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[mailto:bcma-l-admin@museumsassn.bc.ca] Sent: May 14, 2008=20
16:22 To: bcma-l@museumsassn.bc.ca Subject: RE: =
[Bcma-l]=20
Summer Student funding confirmation delay </DIV>
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<SPAN=20
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Book'">Thank=20
you all for bringing up this issue.&nbsp; For some of us, even in a =
large=20
institution, this is a very important source of staff hours.&nbsp; In =
the past,=20
I have had to decline funding when I could not find a suitable =
candidate.&nbsp;=20
This really hurts and hopefully could be =
avoided.<o:p></o:p>
<SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: 'Franklin Gothic =
Book'">Young=20
<st1:country-region w:st=3D"on"><st1:place=20
w:st=3D"on">Canada</st1:place></st1:country-region> Works! Has been a =
wonderful=20
program and we are very thankful for every cent that we get.&nbsp; It =
would be=20
just so much easier if we could be notified of approval in a more timely =

fashion.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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issue of age is also important.&nbsp; Students who are in the process of =

changing career or in graduate school are frequently past the age limit =
and=20
should be considered.&nbsp; I am usually searching for students of =
librarianship=20
and archival studies &#8211; the average age of students in these =
programs is=20
35.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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size=3D3><SPAN=20
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let me know what to sign, to whom I should address my distress.&nbsp; I =
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that this is an important issue for the BCMA to=20
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2><SPAN=20
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bcma-l-admin@museumsassn.bc.ca [mailto:bcma-l-admin@museumsassn.bc.ca]=20
<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Wednesday, May =
14, 2008=20
9:21 AM<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B>=20
bcma-l@museumsassn.bc.ca<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: =
bold">Cc:</SPAN></B>=20
'<st1:place w:st=3D"on"><st1:PlaceName w:st=3D"on">Maple</st1:PlaceName> =

<st1:PlaceType w:st=3D"on">Ridge</st1:PlaceType> <st1:PlaceType=20
w:st=3D"on">Museum</st1:PlaceType></st1:place> &amp; =
Archives' <SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject: RE: [Bcma-l] Summer =
Student=20
funding confirmation delay<SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New =
Roman'"><o:p></o:p></DIV>
<SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p>
<SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Thank-you =
Bill and well=20
said!!<o:p></o:p>
<SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p>
<SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I would also =
put forth=20
it is not just BC North and Interior museums that are finding student=20
recruitment difficult. &nbsp;In Maple Ridge we received enough =
applications to=20
fill the positions that were funded by Canada Summer Jobs however by the =
time we=20
can actually confirm with our new hires that the funding is in &#8211; =
they have taken=20
other jobs that start earlier and pay more.<o:p></o:p>
<SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p>
<SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">In a labour =
market like=20
the lower mainland, where there are more jobs than qualified people to =
taken=20
them, even our local Dairy Queen has upped the starting wage to $11.00 =
per hour=20
to start.&nbsp; It is really great that the money is there for us this =
year and=20
that heritage was added as a CSJ priority to help ensure that money is =
there,=20
however it is not helpful if we can not find the good students to fill =
the=20
jobs!<o:p></o:p>
<SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p>
<SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I think there =
is=20
something to seriously be addressed the BCMA here.&nbsp; That CSJ and =
YCW need=20
to address the need for funding confirmations early and in a more stable =
manner.=20
&nbsp;I believe that a strongly worded letter from the BCMA indicating =
the=20
memberships concerns is the MINIMUM that should be done. If the BCMA is =
not=20
willing to act as our agent on this issue perhaps we can draft a letter =
to our=20
MP&#8217;s with our concerns and ask for a review of the funding=20
timelines.<o:p></o:p>
<SPAN=20
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Arial"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p>
<SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Jordana=20
Feist<o:p></o:p>
<SPAN=20
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<SPAN=20
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Tahoma">From:<FONT=20
face=3DTahoma size=3D2>=20
bcma-l-admin@museumsassn.bc.ca [mailto:bcma-l-admin@museumsassn.bc.ca]=20
 Sent: Tuesday, May =
13, 2008=20
2:02 PM To:=20
bcma-l@museumsassn.bc.ca <SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject: RE: [Bcma-l] Summer =
Student=20
funding confirmation delay<SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New =
Roman'"><o:p></o:p></DIV>
<SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p>
<SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New =
Roman'">May 13,=20
2008 <o:p></o:p>
<SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New =
Roman'"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p>
<SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New =
Roman'">Re:&nbsp;=20
Issues with funding.<o:p></o:p>
<SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New =
Roman'"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p>
<SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'">I =
cannot=20
agree more with what Rosaleen Ward put forward with regard to =
funding.&nbsp; I=20
would suggest a series of changes with regard to grant funding for the=20
museum/library fields that depend on summer grant programs to =
operate.&nbsp; It=20
has been increasingly difficult to staff positions in the north.&nbsp; =
The=20
Businesses at Barkerville have been feeling the crunch as well, as =
students and=20
young people find positions that are more financially rewarding prior to =
the=20
disbursement of grants.&nbsp; This has been going on in the business =
world for a=20
little longer, but is similar to the issues we in the museum community =
have been=20
feeling for several years &#8211; outside of the normal issue of having =
funding=20
distributed at the wrong time of the year and inconsistently &#8211; =
there are not=20
sufficient young people to operate effectively and the wages are not =
sufficient=20
to attract young people from other more lucrative=20
opportunities.<o:p></o:p>
<SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New =
Roman'"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p>
<SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New =
Roman'">Governments=20
operate on a yearly budget &#8211; voted on usually at the beginning of =
April or=20
thereabouts.&nbsp; Any delays in distribution of voted funds are =
reflected in=20
late adjudication of any grants.&nbsp; This is a huge problem for =
recruitment=20
purposes and for being able to sustain a normal planning phase for the =
work=20
flow.&nbsp; If grants were voted on for distribution prior to April=20
1st &#8211; say by the end of December, then we would be able =
to recruit=20
with confidence that we can actually hire someone to carry out a =
plan.&nbsp; As=20
it is, we scramble each year when the funds come down for both students =
and=20
getting our programs in place.&nbsp; Last year was a nightmare.&nbsp; =
This year,=20
notifications were actually faster for Young Canada Works, but a little =
on the=20
slow side for Canada Summer Jobs.&nbsp; The design of these grants is =
not for=20
the consumer, but for the voter.&nbsp; The amounts actually distributed =
are=20
relatively small compared with most other Government expenditures, =
especially in=20
light of the fact that cultural institutions add tremendously to the =
economy in=20
relationship to real costs &#8211; especially in non-suburban areas =
where they help=20
circulate money in regions where boom and bust is a fact of life, but =
also the=20
back bone of the general Canadian economy.&nbsp; Grants could be =
simplified by=20
establishing a body that the funds could be transferred to in the year =
prior to=20
the actual expenditures.&nbsp; It is not like we would be distributing =
huge sums=20
of money or setting up a body that does not already exist if it was say =
the BCMA=20
or the CMA.&nbsp; <o:p></o:p>
<SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New =
Roman'"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p>
<SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New =
Roman'">Another=20
issue that I have with the granting system is the age limits.&nbsp; I =
have been=20
told by workers in the agencies that this would never change.&nbsp; Not =
only are=20
age limits discriminatory for older students/people, it limits our =
ability to=20
fill positions in an economy where young people are no longer the group =
that=20
should be targeted.<o:p></o:p>
<SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New =
Roman'"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p>
<SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New =
Roman'">Another=20
issue that is part of the problem is that Governments also fear having =
employees=20
and try to guard against this by not entering situations where they are =
obliged=20
to support an institution.&nbsp; There is the fear of having to have =
large=20
payouts for laying off people; fear of coherent collective actions that =
might be=20
a cost burden to the tax payer; fear of having a capital/operational =
cost and a=20
potential threat to their mandate and a fear that anything that does not =
have an=20
immediately visible return (i.e. I will sell you this bag of chips for =
$1 and I=20
get $0.30 cents for doing so).&nbsp; Analysis of cultural value in real =
dollars=20
has demonstrated time and time again, that having a well functioning =
cultural=20
institution that works with other elements of our society provides not =
only the=20
ephemeral emotional aspects of respect for =
history/ideas/ideals/creativity, etc.=20
but pays off in cash.&nbsp; I am still trying to figure out why Scotland =
with=20
not much more population and a lot less land mass (than B.C.) can put in =
five=20
times as much money into heritage &#8211; remember this is Scotland, the =
land with the=20
reputation for having people who are quite prudent in their =
expenditures.&nbsp;=20
As a tax payer, I can see the obligation point.&nbsp; But, I can also =
understand=20
economics that point to a better method of dealing with the Cultural=20
situation.&nbsp; In the past I have suggested that a Foundation be =
established=20
for this purpose into which Governments might place endowments with the =
aim=20
towards stability in the Cultural sector.&nbsp; But, this was not =
commented on,=20
except for one person who indicated that they did not want to have =
another=20
foundation.&nbsp; But, I have not heard any other suggestions to effect=20
change.&nbsp; Is the status quo suitable then?&nbsp; Is this what people =
in the=20
Cultural sector want &#8211; late grants and no employees?&nbsp; Or, are =
these=20
concerns only for people like Rosaleen and myself &#8211; in the frozen =
north?&nbsp;=20
<o:p></o:p>
<DIV>
<SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue">W. (Bill) G. Quackenbush, Curator =

<BR>Barkerville Historic Town, <BR>Box 19, Barkerville, B.C.&nbsp; V0K =
1B0=20
<BR>Telephone: 1-888-994-3332; ex. 25 <BR>Fax: 1-250-994-3435=20
<BR>bill.quackenbush@barkerville.ca <BR>visit - www.barkerville.ca for =
general=20
information </SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><B><FONT face=3DTahoma =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Tahoma">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT=20
face=3DTahoma size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Tahoma">=20
bcma-l-admin@museumsassn.bc.ca [mailto:bcma-l-admin@museumsassn.bc.ca]=20
<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> May 9, 2008 =
2:31=20
PM<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> =
<st1:PersonName=20
w:st=3D"on">bcma-l@museumsassn.bc.ca</st1:PersonName><BR><B><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> [Bcma-l] Summer Student =
funding=20
confirmation delay</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
size=3D3><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New =
Roman'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3DCalibri =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3DCalibri =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt">For some organizations the confirmation of =
funding has=20
come too late &#8211; many of the students here in the northern =
communities have=20
already found positions.&nbsp; Museums and libraries received calls =
saying that=20
they would probably receive funding but the confirmation did not come =
through=20
for another 3 &#8211; 4 weeks.&nbsp; I have heard this is because the =
government was=20
slow in releasing confirmation of funding to Service=20
Canada.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3DCalibri =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3DCalibri =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Maybe the government should be made aware of =
the=20
consequences of these delays.&nbsp; Unfortunately, it is Service =
Canada&#8217;s=20
beleaguered front line staff who often have to bear the brunt of =
people&#8217;s=20
frustrations.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New =
Roman'">Rosaleen=20
Ward<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New =
Roman'">Museum=20
Coordinator<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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