[Bcma-l] Summer Student funding confirmation delay
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While the age limit also worked against me, the "returning student" clause was a further impediment. When I returned from doing my MA in art history/museum studies from the Courtauld Institute in London, England, I discovered I was not eligible for any of these positions. My MA was an intensive nine months from start to finish (including dissertation) and I returned to Canada with my completed degree. This is not unusual for MA degrees granted in the UK.
I did this degree in the hope of making a career in museums/galleries and I was keenly aware that I needed to develop local profession-specific contacts and experience. I found I needed a number of volunteer positions to get at least some of the practical gallery experience I needed. In the end, I don't think I found a substitute for an internship or a student job. As a result, I have told my students that they need to start strategizing about their careers. They need to be aware that there are employment opportunities that are available now, which may not be there later. (That said, in an economy where students have various options with higher salaries, it is advice that is difficult to hear).
Consider me as an avid supporter of the important work you do.
Cindie Chaise
Sessional Art History Instructor
Trinity Western University
Langley BC
Cindie.Chaise@twu.ca
bcma-l-admin@museumsassn.bc.ca wrote:
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summer employment. One such student came down, found the age limitation and screamed 'Discrimination'. She was going to write a letter to our local MP.
Our local office is wonderful but of course they are hampered by what comes down the chute from the Federal Government.
Have a great summer everyone.
Teedie
Powell River Museum
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From: bcma-l-admin@museumsassn.bc.ca [mailto:bcma-l-admin@museumsassn.bc.ca]
Sent: May 14, 2008 16:22
To: bcma-l@museumsassn.bc.ca
Subject: RE: [Bcma-l] Summer Student funding confirmation delay
Thank you all for bringing up this issue. For some of us, even in a large institution, this is a very important source of staff hours. In the past, I have had to decline funding when I could not find a suitable candidate. This really hurts and hopefully could be avoided.
Young Canada Works! Has been a wonderful program and we are very thankful for every cent that we get. It would be just so much easier if we could be notified of approval in a more timely fashion.
The issue of age is also important. Students who are in the process of changing career or in graduate school are frequently past the age limit and should be considered. I am usually searching for students of librarianship and archival studies – the average age of students in these programs is 35.
Please let me know what to sign, to whom I should address my distress. I think that this is an important issue for the BCMA to address.
Cheryl Siegel
Cheryl Siegel | Librarian | Vancouver Art Gallery | 750 Hornby St. | Vancouver, BC | V6Z 2H7 | 604-662-4709 | fax 604-682-1086 | www.vanartgallery.bc.ca
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Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 9:21 AM
To: bcma-l@museumsassn.bc.ca
Cc: 'Maple Ridge Museum & Archives'
Subject: RE: [Bcma-l] Summer Student funding confirmation delay
Thank-you Bill and well said!!
I would also put forth it is not just BC North and Interior museums that are finding student recruitment difficult. In Maple Ridge we received enough applications to fill the positions that were funded by Canada Summer Jobs however by the time we can actually confirm with our new hires that the funding is in – they have taken other jobs that start earlier and pay more.
In a labour market like the lower mainland, where there are more jobs than qualified people to taken them, even our local Dairy Queen has upped the starting wage to $11.00 per hour to start. It is really great that the money is there for us this year and that heritage was added as a CSJ priority to help ensure that money is there, however it is not helpful if we can not find the good students to fill the jobs!
I think there is something to seriously be addressed the BCMA here. That CSJ and YCW need to address the need for funding confirmations early and in a more stable manner. I believe that a strongly worded letter from the BCMA indicating the memberships concerns is the MINIMUM that should be done. If the BCMA is not willing to act as our agent on this issue perhaps we can draft a letter to our MP’s with our concerns and ask for a review of the funding timelines.
Jordana Feist
Curator
Maple Ridge Museum and Community Archives
22520-116th Ave Maple Ridge V2X 0S5
Haney House Museum
11612-224th Street Maple Ridge V2X 5Z7
mrm-jordana@uniserve.com
http://mapleridgemuseum.blogspot.com/
604-463-5311
History is a guide to navigation in perilous times. History is who we are and why we are the way we are. - David C. McCullough
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From: bcma-l-admin@museumsassn.bc.ca [mailto:bcma-l-admin@museumsassn.bc.ca]
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 2:02 PM
To: bcma-l@museumsassn.bc.ca
Subject: RE: [Bcma-l] Summer Student funding confirmation delay
May 13, 2008
Re: Issues with funding.
I cannot agree more with what Rosaleen Ward put forward with regard to funding. I would suggest a series of changes with regard to grant funding for the museum/library fields that depend on summer grant programs to operate. It has been increasingly difficult to staff positions in the north. The Businesses at Barkerville have been feeling the crunch as well, as students and young people find positions that are more financially rewarding prior to the disbursement of grants. This has been going on in the business world for a little longer, but is similar to the issues we in the museum community have been feeling for several years – outside of the normal issue of having funding distributed at the wrong time of the year and inconsistently – there are not sufficient young people to operate effectively and the wages are not sufficient to attract young people from other more lucrative opportunities.
Governments operate on a yearly budget – voted on usually at the beginning of April or thereabouts. Any delays in distribution of voted funds are reflected in late adjudication of any grants. This is a huge problem for recruitment purposes and for being able to sustain a normal planning phase for the work flow. If grants were voted on for distribution prior to April 1st – say by the end of December, then we would be able to recruit with confidence that we can actually hire someone to carry out a plan. As it is, we scramble each year when the funds come down for both students and getting our programs in place. Last year was a nightmare. This year, notifications were actually faster for Young Canada Works, but a little on the slow side for Canada Summer Jobs. The design of these grants is not for the consumer, but for the voter. The amounts actually distributed are relatively small compared with most other Government expenditures, especially in light of the fact
that cultural institutions add tremendously to the economy in relationship to real costs – especially in non-suburban areas where they help circulate money in regions where boom and bust is a fact of life, but also the back bone of the general Canadian economy. Grants could be simplified by establishing a body that the funds could be transferred to in the year prior to the actual expenditures. It is not like we would be distributing huge sums of money or setting up a body that does not already exist if it was say the BCMA or the CMA.
Another issue that I have with the granting system is the age limits. I have been told by workers in the agencies that this would never change. Not only are age limits discriminatory for older students/people, it limits our ability to fill positions in an economy where young people are no longer the group that should be targeted.
Another issue that is part of the problem is that Governments also fear having employees and try to guard against this by not entering situations where they are obliged to support an institution. There is the fear of having to have large payouts for laying off people; fear of coherent collective actions that might be a cost burden to the tax payer; fear of having a capital/operational cost and a potential threat to their mandate and a fear that anything that does not have an immediately visible return (i.e. I will sell you this bag of chips for $1 and I get $0.30 cents for doing so). Analysis of cultural value in real dollars has demonstrated time and time again, that having a well functioning cultural institution that works with other elements of our society provides not only the ephemeral emotional aspects of respect for history/ideas/ideals/creativity, etc. but pays off in cash. I am still trying to figure out why Scotland with not much more population and a lot
less land mass (than B.C.) can put in five times as much money into heritage – remember this is Scotland, the land with the reputation for having people who are quite prudent in their expenditures. As a tax payer, I can see the obligation point. But, I can also understand economics that point to a better method of dealing with the Cultural situation. In the past I have suggested that a Foundation be established for this purpose into which Governments might place endowments with the aim towards stability in the Cultural sector. But, this was not commented on, except for one person who indicated that they did not want to have another foundation. But, I have not heard any other suggestions to effect change. Is the status quo suitable then? Is this what people in the Cultural sector want – late grants and no employees? Or, are these concerns only for people like Rosaleen and myself – in the frozen north?
W. (Bill) G. Quackenbush, Curator
Barkerville Historic Town,
Box 19, Barkerville, B.C. V0K 1B0
Telephone: 1-888-994-3332; ex. 25
Fax: 1-250-994-3435
bill.quackenbush@barkerville.ca
visit - www.barkerville.ca for general information
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From: bcma-l-admin@museumsassn.bc.ca [mailto:bcma-l-admin@museumsassn.bc.ca]
Sent: May 9, 2008 2:31 PM
To: bcma-l@museumsassn.bc.ca
Subject: [Bcma-l] Summer Student funding confirmation delay
For some organizations the confirmation of funding has come too late – many of the students here in the northern communities have already found positions. Museums and libraries received calls saying that they would probably receive funding but the confirmation did not come through for another 3 – 4 weeks. I have heard this is because the government was slow in releasing confirmation of funding to Service Canada.
Maybe the government should be made aware of the consequences of these delays. Unfortunately, it is Service Canada’s beleaguered front line staff who often have to bear the brunt of people’s frustrations.
Rosaleen Ward
Museum Coordinator
Hudson's Hope Museum
9510 Beattie Drive
Box 98
Hudson's Hope
BC V0C 1V0
Phone (250) 783 5735
Fax (250) 783 5770
e mail hhmuseum@pris.ca
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<div>While the age limit also worked against me, the "returning student" clause was a further impediment. When I returned from doing my MA in art history/museum studies from the Courtauld Institute in London, England, I discovered I was not eligible for any of these positions. My MA was an intensive nine months from start to finish (including dissertation) and I returned to Canada with my completed degree. This is not unusual for MA degrees granted in the UK. </div> <div> </div> <div>I did this degree in the hope of making a career in museums/galleries and I was keenly aware that I needed to develop local profession-specific contacts and experience. I found I needed a number of volunteer positions to get at least some of the practical gallery experience I needed. In the end, I don't think I found a substitute for an internship or a student job. As a result, I have told my students that they
need to start strategizing about their careers. They need to be aware that there are employment opportunities that are available now, which may not be there later. (That said, in an economy where students have various options with higher salaries, it is advice that is difficult to hear).</div> <div> </div> <div>Consider me as an avid supporter of the important work you do.</div> <div> </div> <div>Cindie Chaise</div> <div>Sessional Art History Instructor</div> <div>Trinity Western University</div> <div>Langley BC</div> <div><A href="mailto:Cindie.Chaise@twu.ca">Cindie.Chaise@twu.ca</A> </div> <div> </div> <div><B><I><A href="mailto:bcma-l-admin@museumsassn.bc.ca">bcma-l-admin@museumsassn.bc.ca</A></I></B> wrote:</div> <BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid"> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.6000.16640" name=GENERATOR> <STYLE>v\:* { BEHAVIOR: url(#default#VML)
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personal-reply } DIV.Section1 { page: Section1 } </STYLE> <DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=359533018-15052008><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Thanks for this discussion. And I agree with the others regarding mature students who are upgrading and who also need summer employment. One such student came down, found the age limitation and screamed 'Discrimination'. She was going to write a letter to our local MP. </FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=359533018-15052008><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=359533018-15052008><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Our local office is wonderful but of course they are hampered by what comes down the chute from the Federal Government. </FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=359533018-15052008><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN
class=359533018-15052008><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Have a great summer everyone.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=359533018-15052008><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=359533018-15052008><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Teedie </FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=359533018-15052008><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Powell River Museum</FONT></SPAN></DIV><BR> <DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader lang=en-us dir=ltr align=left> <HR tabIndex=-1> <FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> bcma-l-admin@museumsassn.bc.ca [mailto:bcma-l-admin@museumsassn.bc.ca] <BR><B>Sent:</B> May 14, 2008 16:22<BR><B>To:</B> bcma-l@museumsassn.bc.ca<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: [Bcma-l] Summer Student funding confirmation delay<BR></FONT><BR></DIV> <DIV></DIV> <DIV class=Section1> <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Franklin Gothic Book" color=blue size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: 'Franklin Gothic Book'">Thank you all for bringing up this issue. For some of us, even in a large institution, this is a very important source of staff hours. In the past, I have had to decline funding when I could not find a suitable candidate. This really hurts and hopefully could be avoided.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></div> <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Franklin Gothic Book" color=blue size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: 'Franklin Gothic Book'">Young <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" /><st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Canada</st1:place></st1:country-region> Works! Has been a wonderful program and we are very thankful for every cent that we get. It would be just so much easier if we could be notified of approval in a more timely fashion.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></div> <div class=MsoNormal><FONT
face="Franklin Gothic Book" color=blue size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: 'Franklin Gothic Book'">The issue of age is also important. Students who are in the process of changing career or in graduate school are frequently past the age limit and should be considered. I am usually searching for students of librarianship and archival studies – the average age of students in these programs is 35.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></div> <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Franklin Gothic Book" color=blue size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: 'Franklin Gothic Book'">Please let me know what to sign, to whom I should address my distress. I think that this is an important issue for the BCMA to address.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></div> <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Franklin Gothic Book" color=blue size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: 'Franklin Gothic Book'">Cheryl Siegel
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></div> <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Franklin Gothic Book" color=blue size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: 'Franklin Gothic Book'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></div> <DIV> <div><FONT face="Franklin Gothic Book" color=blue size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: 'Franklin Gothic Book'">Cheryl Siegel | Librarian | <st1:PlaceName w:st="on">Vancouver</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceName w:st="on">Art</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceName w:st="on">Gallery</st1:PlaceName> | <st1:Street w:st="on"><st1:address w:st="on">750 Hornby St.</st1:address></st1:Street> | <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">Vancouver</st1:City>, <st1:State w:st="on">BC</st1:State></st1:place> | V6Z 2H7 | 604-662-4709 | fax 604-682-1086 | www.vanartgallery.bc.ca</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></div></DIV> <DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="TEXT-ALIGN: center" align=center><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'"> <HR tabIndex=-1 align=center width="100%" SIZE=2> </SPAN></FONT></DIV> <div class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> bcma-l-admin@museumsassn.bc.ca [mailto:bcma-l-admin@museumsassn.bc.ca] <BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Wednesday, May 14, 2008 9:21 AM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> bcma-l@museumsassn.bc.ca<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Cc:</SPAN></B> '<st1:place w:st="on"><st1:PlaceName w:st="on">Maple</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceType w:st="on">Ridge</st1:PlaceType> <st1:PlaceType w:st="on">Museum</st1:PlaceType></st1:place> & Archives'<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> RE: [Bcma-l] Summer Student funding confirmation delay</SPAN></FONT><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></div></DIV> <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Calibri size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></div> <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Thank-you Bill and well said!!<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></div> <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></div> <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I would also put forth it is not just BC North and Interior museums that are finding student recruitment difficult. In Maple Ridge we received enough applications to fill the positions that were funded by Canada Summer Jobs however by the time we can actually confirm with
our new hires that the funding is in – they have taken other jobs that start earlier and pay more.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></div> <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></div> <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">In a labour market like the lower mainland, where there are more jobs than qualified people to taken them, even our local Dairy Queen has upped the starting wage to $11.00 per hour to start. It is really great that the money is there for us this year and that heritage was added as a CSJ priority to help ensure that money is there, however it is not helpful if we can not find the good students to fill the jobs!<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></div> <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY:
Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></div> <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I think there is something to seriously be addressed the BCMA here. That CSJ and YCW need to address the need for funding confirmations early and in a more stable manner. I believe that a strongly worded letter from the BCMA indicating the memberships concerns is the MINIMUM that should be done. If the BCMA is not willing to act as our agent on this issue perhaps we can draft a letter to our MP’s with our concerns and ask for a review of the funding timelines.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></div> <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></div> <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Jordana
Feist<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></div> <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></div> <DIV> <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Poor Richard" color=olive size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: olive; FONT-FAMILY: 'Poor Richard'">Curator</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=navy><SPAN style="COLOR: navy"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></div> <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Calibri color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: navy"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></div> <div class=MsoNormal><st1:place w:st="on"><st1:PlaceName w:st="on"><FONT face="Poor Richard" color=olive size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: olive; FONT-FAMILY: 'Poor Richard'">Maple</SPAN></FONT></st1:PlaceName><FONT face="Poor Richard" color=olive size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: olive; FONT-FAMILY: 'Poor Richard'"> <st1:PlaceType w:st="on">Ridge</st1:PlaceType> <st1:PlaceType
w:st="on">Museum</st1:PlaceType></SPAN></FONT></st1:place><FONT face="Poor Richard" color=olive size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: olive; FONT-FAMILY: 'Poor Richard'"> and Community Archives</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=navy><SPAN style="COLOR: navy"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></div> <div class=MsoNormal><st1:address w:st="on"><st1:Street w:st="on"><FONT face="Poor Richard" color=olive size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: olive; FONT-FAMILY: 'Poor Richard'">22520-116th Ave</SPAN></FONT></st1:Street><FONT face="Poor Richard" color=olive size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: olive; FONT-FAMILY: 'Poor Richard'"> <st1:City w:st="on">Maple Ridge</st1:City> <st1:PostalCode w:st="on">V2X 0S5</st1:PostalCode></SPAN></FONT></st1:address><FONT color=navy><SPAN style="COLOR: navy"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></div> <div class=MsoNormal><st1:place w:st="on"><st1:PlaceName w:st="on"><FONT face="Poor Richard" color=olive size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: olive;
FONT-FAMILY: 'Poor Richard'">Haney</SPAN></FONT></st1:PlaceName><FONT face="Poor Richard" color=olive size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: olive; FONT-FAMILY: 'Poor Richard'"> <st1:PlaceName w:st="on">House</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceType w:st="on">Museum</st1:PlaceType></SPAN></FONT></st1:place><FONT color=navy><SPAN style="COLOR: navy"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></div> <div class=MsoNormal><st1:address w:st="on"><st1:Street w:st="on"><FONT face="Poor Richard" color=olive size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: olive; FONT-FAMILY: 'Poor Richard'">11612-224th Street</SPAN></FONT></st1:Street><FONT face="Poor Richard" color=olive size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: olive; FONT-FAMILY: 'Poor Richard'"> <st1:City w:st="on">Maple Ridge</st1:City> <st1:PostalCode w:st="on">V2X 5Z7</st1:PostalCode></SPAN></FONT></st1:address><FONT color=navy><SPAN style="COLOR: navy"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></div> <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Poor Richard" color=olive
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: olive; FONT-FAMILY: 'Poor Richard'"><A href="mailto:mrm-jordana@uniserve.com">mrm-jordana@uniserve.com</A></SPAN></FONT><FONT color=navy><SPAN style="COLOR: navy"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></div> <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Poor Richard" color=olive size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: olive; FONT-FAMILY: 'Poor Richard'"><A href="http://mapleridgemuseum.blogspot.com/">http://mapleridgemuseum.blogspot.com/</A></SPAN></FONT><FONT color=navy><SPAN style="COLOR: navy"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></div> <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Poor Richard" color=olive size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: olive; FONT-FAMILY: 'Poor Richard'">604-463-5311</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=navy><SPAN style="COLOR: navy"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></div> <div class=MsoNormal><EM><I><FONT face="Poor Richard" color=olive size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: olive; FONT-FAMILY: 'Poor Richard'">History is a guide to navigation in
perilous times. History is who we are and why we are the way we are. - </SPAN></FONT></I></EM><SPAN class=title><I><FONT face="Poor Richard" color=olive size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: olive; FONT-STYLE: italic; FONT-FAMILY: 'Poor Richard'">David C. McCullough</SPAN></FONT></I></SPAN><FONT color=navy><SPAN style="COLOR: navy"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></div> <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Calibri color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: navy"> </SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></div></DIV> <DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="TEXT-ALIGN: center" align=center><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'"> <HR tabIndex=-1 align=center width="100%" SIZE=2> </SPAN></FONT></DIV> <div class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY:
Tahoma"> bcma-l-admin@museumsassn.bc.ca [mailto:bcma-l-admin@museumsassn.bc.ca] <BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Tuesday, May 13, 2008 2:02 PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> bcma-l@museumsassn.bc.ca<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> RE: [Bcma-l] Summer Student funding confirmation delay</SPAN></FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></div></DIV> <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Calibri size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></div> <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=blue size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'">May 13, 2008 <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></div> <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=blue size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New
Roman'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></div> <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=blue size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'">Re: Issues with funding.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></div> <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=blue size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></div> <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=blue size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'">I cannot agree more with what Rosaleen Ward put forward with regard to funding. I would suggest a series of changes with regard to grant funding for the museum/library fields that depend on summer grant programs to operate. It has been increasingly difficult to staff positions in the north. The Businesses at Barkerville have been feeling the crunch as well, as students and young people
find positions that are more financially rewarding prior to the disbursement of grants. This has been going on in the business world for a little longer, but is similar to the issues we in the museum community have been feeling for several years – outside of the normal issue of having funding distributed at the wrong time of the year and inconsistently – there are not sufficient young people to operate effectively and the wages are not sufficient to attract young people from other more lucrative opportunities.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></div> <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=blue size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></div> <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=blue size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'">Governments operate on a yearly budget – voted on usually at the beginning of April or thereabouts.
Any delays in distribution of voted funds are reflected in late adjudication of any grants. This is a huge problem for recruitment purposes and for being able to sustain a normal planning phase for the work flow. If grants were voted on for distribution prior to April 1<SUP>st</SUP> – say by the end of December, then we would be able to recruit with confidence that we can actually hire someone to carry out a plan. As it is, we scramble each year when the funds come down for both students and getting our programs in place. Last year was a nightmare. This year, notifications were actually faster for Young Canada Works, but a little on the slow side for Canada Summer Jobs. The design of these grants is not for the consumer, but for the voter. The amounts actually distributed are relatively small compared with most other Government expenditures, especially in light of the fact that cultural institutions add tremendously to the economy
in relationship to real costs – especially in non-suburban areas where they help circulate money in regions where boom and bust is a fact of life, but also the back bone of the general Canadian economy. Grants could be simplified by establishing a body that the funds could be transferred to in the year prior to the actual expenditures. It is not like we would be distributing huge sums of money or setting up a body that does not already exist if it was say the BCMA or the CMA. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></div> <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=blue size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></div> <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=blue size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'">Another issue that I have with the granting system is the age limits. I have been told by workers in the agencies that this
would never change. Not only are age limits discriminatory for older students/people, it limits our ability to fill positions in an economy where young people are no longer the group that should be targeted.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></div> <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=blue size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></div> <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=blue size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'">Another issue that is part of the problem is that Governments also fear having employees and try to guard against this by not entering situations where they are obliged to support an institution. There is the fear of having to have large payouts for laying off people; fear of coherent collective actions that might be a cost burden to the tax payer; fear of having a capital/operational cost and a potential
threat to their mandate and a fear that anything that does not have an immediately visible return (i.e. I will sell you this bag of chips for $1 and I get $0.30 cents for doing so). Analysis of cultural value in real dollars has demonstrated time and time again, that having a well functioning cultural institution that works with other elements of our society provides not only the ephemeral emotional aspects of respect for history/ideas/ideals/creativity, etc. but pays off in cash. I am still trying to figure out why Scotland with not much more population and a lot less land mass (than B.C.) can put in five times as much money into heritage – remember this is Scotland, the land with the reputation for having people who are quite prudent in their expenditures. As a tax payer, I can see the obligation point. But, I can also understand economics that point to a better method of dealing with the Cultural situation. In the past I have suggested that
a Foundation be established for this purpose into which Governments might place endowments with the aim towards stability in the Cultural sector. But, this was not commented on, except for one person who indicated that they did not want to have another foundation. But, I have not heard any other suggestions to effect change. Is the status quo suitable then? Is this what people in the Cultural sector want – late grants and no employees? Or, are these concerns only for people like Rosaleen and myself – in the frozen north? <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></div> <DIV> <div><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=blue size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue">W. (Bill) G. Quackenbush, Curator <BR>Barkerville Historic Town, <BR>Box 19, Barkerville, B.C. V0K 1B0 <BR>Telephone: 1-888-994-3332; ex. 25 <BR>Fax: 1-250-994-3435 <BR>bill.quackenbush@barkerville.ca <BR>visit - www.barkerville.ca for general information
</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></div></DIV> <DIV> <DIV style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="TEXT-ALIGN: center" align=center><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'"> <HR tabIndex=-1 align=center width="100%" SIZE=2> </SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> bcma-l-admin@museumsassn.bc.ca [mailto:bcma-l-admin@museumsassn.bc.ca] <BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> May 9, 2008 2:31 PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">bcma-l@museumsassn.bc.ca</st1:PersonName><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> [Bcma-l] Summer Student funding confirmation delay</SPAN></FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></div></DIV> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Calibri size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></div> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Calibri size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt">For some organizations the confirmation of funding has come too late – many of the students here in the northern communities have already found positions. Museums and libraries received calls saying that they would probably receive funding but the confirmation did not come through for another 3 – 4 weeks. I have heard this is because the government was slow in releasing confirmation of funding to Service Canada.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></div> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Calibri size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></div> <div class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Calibri size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Maybe the government should be made aware of the consequences of these delays. Unfortunately, it is Service Canada’s beleaguered front line staff who often have to bear the brunt of people’s frustrations.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></div> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Calibri size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></div> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'">Rosaleen Ward<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></div> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'">Museum Coordinator<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></div> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><st1:City w:st="on"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE:
12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'">Hudson</SPAN></FONT></st1:City><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'">'s <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:PlaceName w:st="on">Hope</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceName w:st="on">Museum</st1:PlaceName></st1:place><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></div> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><st1:Street w:st="on"><st1:address w:st="on"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'">9510 Beattie Drive</SPAN></FONT></st1:address></st1:Street><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></div> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><st1:address w:st="on"><st1:Street w:st="on"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'">Box</SPAN></FONT></st1:Street><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'"> 98</SPAN></FONT></st1:address><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></div> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'">Hudson</SPAN></FONT></st1:City></st1:place><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'">'s Hope<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></div> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'">BC V0C 1V0<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></div> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'">Phone (250) 783 5735<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></div> <div
class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'">Fax (250) 783 5770<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></div> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'">e mail <st1:PersonName w:st="on">hhmuseum@pris.ca</st1:PersonName><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></div> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Calibri size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></div></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><p> 
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