[Bcma-l] RE: [canmuse-l] FW: From Canadian Association of New York - permanent loans

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We had a permanent loan with the CMC, they eventually turned the =
displays over to us total.
Larry A. Ewashen, Curator
The Doukhobor Discovery Centre
112 Heritage Way, Castlegar V1N 4M5
1-250-365-5327
www.Doukhobor-Museum.org

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  Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 9:55 AM
  Subject: [Bcma-l] RE: [canmuse-l] FW: From Canadian Association of New =
York - permanent loans

  Dear Mr. Murphy:

  I strongly advise against any "permanent loans."=20

  The words "permanent loan" send shivers up the spines of most museum =
people these days as they are often the cause of endless problems. =
Museums and galleries entering into such agreements end up storing items =
for someone else "forever" and are responsible for them but never own =
them. Owners die, change names, move away and items sometimes go missing =
or are damaged. It is not just individuals that experience these =
problems as organizations, corporations and societies change names (as =
yours did), change addresses and usually change key people frequently - =
and corporate memory is very short. In police terminology, old permanent =
loans are "Cold Cases" - often the most difficult to solve - and =
contrary to what we see on TV, many remain unsolved.=20

  The current trend is to have loans (incoming or outgoing) of 1 year =
maximum duration and then both parties must communicate annually (thus =
the contact name, address, phone number etc. are updated) and decide =
whether or not to renew the loan for another year, discuss any condition =
changes and whether or not to adjust the insurance value. If a problem =
has occurred (e.g. a death, name change or address change) then at least =
the trail is warm.=20

  The good news is that such an arrangement can be renewed annually ad =
infinutum if both parties wish. It does avoid having to try to find =
owners or their heirs 20, 50 or more years after they have dropped off =
the face of the Earth. I have had to do this type of detective work at a =
number of museums and it is very frustrating and difficult indeed.

  Anyone that enters into a "permanent loan" as a borrower or lender is =
asking for trouble down the road. Instead, I recommend 1 year renewable =
loans, a win - win situation.

  Sincerely,=20

  Colin MacGregor Stevens,
  Manager,
  New Westminster Museum and Archives,
  302 Royal Avenue,
  New Westminster, BC,=20
  V3L 1H7
  =20
  Phone Office: 604-527-4639
  Fax:     604-527-4641
  E-mail: cstevens@newwestcity.ca=20
  Web Site: www.newwestminster.ca=20
  =20

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  From: Naomi Grattan [mailto:NGrattan@museums.ca]=20
  Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 7:56 AM
  To: CMA List Serve (E-mail); OMA List Serve (E-mail); BCMA List Serve =
(E-mail)
  Subject: [canmuse-l] FW: From Canadian Association of New York

  Please reply to:

  Dennis J. Murphy
  Art Curator and Past President
  CANADIAN ASSOCIATION OF NEW YORK [CANY]

  djvmurphy@earthlink.net

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  From: Dennis Murphy [mailto:djvmurphy@earthlink.net]
  Sent: May 16, 2007 11:12 AM
  To: John McAvity
  Subject: Canadian Art For Loan

  Hello Mr.McAvity,
  =20
  The Canadian Association of New York [formerly the Canadian Club of =
New York] owns a number of artworks by Canadian Artists.  Until recently =
the works were displayed in a building we share with another =
organization.  Others have been on loan to the Council General in =
London. =20
  =20
  My reason for contacting you, is to explore the idea of making a =
permanent loan to a museum in Canada that might be interested in this =
art collection. =20
  =20
  There are between twenty and thirty art works and a small number of =
antiques [see list below].
  =20
  If you have an interest or can direct me to a museum that might be =
interested, then I will compile the list of works and artists.
  =20
  Thank you in advance for your assistance,
  =20
  Dennis J. Murphy
  CANY Art Curator and Past President

  ***

  CANADIAN ASSOCIATION OF NEW YORK [CANY]
  Art Collection
  May, 2007

  Artist, Medium, Title, Size

  Arbuckle, Franklyn, Oil on canvas, Cove at Port De Grave - =
Newfoundland, 24 x 30
  Beament, Thomas Harold Oil on canvas, Northwest Territories - Hudson =
Bay Post, 24 x 30
  Bouchard, Lorne Holland Oil on canvas, Canadian Village in Winter, 22 =
x 36
  Comfort, Charles, Oil on canvas, Parliament Buildings-Ottawa, 46 x 36
  Cullen, Maurice, Oil on canvas, Mount Girouard From Bow River, 24 x 32
  Gillet, Langdon, Oil on canvas, Wingashaek Dunes, IpswichBar, =
Gloucester, 40 x 45
  Hutchison, Frederick William, Oil on canvas, The Village of St. =
Urbain, 30 x 36
  Jack, Richard, Oil on canvas, Mount Eisenhower - Canadian Rockies, 30 =
x 30
  John, Augustus, Oil on canvas, The Canadians, 30 x 25
  Knight, Clayton, Oil on canvas, Mont St. Eloi-Vimy Ridge Sector - =
World War I, 30 x 30
  MacDonald, Evan Weeks, Oil on canvas, A Georgian Bay Island, Near =
Honey Harbour, 24 x30
  Nicolet, Frank, Oil on canvas, The Nelson River-Manitoba, 36 x 40
  Phillips, Walter Joseph, Oil on canvas, Okanagan Valley, 36 x 48
  Pilot, Robert Wakeham, Oil on canvas, King Square, Saint John New =
Brunswick, 30 x 40
  Pilot, Robert Wakeham, Oil on canvas, Digby - Nova Scotia, 22 x 28
  Rogers, Hubert W., Oil on canvas, Refitting for the Races - Prince =
Edward Island, 26 x 34
  Russell, George Horne, Oil on canvas, Breezy Day Louisburg, Nova =
Scotia, 28 x 40
  Slater, Frank, Oil on canvas, H.M. Queen Elizabeth, 50 x 40
  Slater, Frank E., Oil on canvas, City of London, England, 28 x 36
  Slater, Frank E., Oil on canvas, Harlech Castle, Wales, 28 x 36
  Tinning, George Campbell, Oil on canvas, Saskatchewan - Grain =
Elevator, 30 x 40
  Unkown artist, Painted wood, 11 crests of Canadian Provinces, 30 x 22
  Walters, Emile, Oil on canvas, Derelict, 30 x 36
  Wilkinson, Norman, Oil on canvas, Dunvegan Castle - Isle of Skye, 24 x =
32
  Wilkinson, Norman, Oil on canvas, The Mountains of Mourne - Northern =
Ireland, 24 x 32

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 <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">Subject: [Bcma-l] RE: =
[canmuse-l] FW:=20
 From Canadian Association of New York - permanent loans</DIV>
 <DIV> </DIV>Dear Mr. Murphy: I strongly advise against any=20
 "permanent loans." The words "permanent loan" send shivers up =
the=20
 spines of most museum people these days as they are often the cause of =
endless=20
 problems. Museums and galleries entering into such agreements end up =
storing=20
 items for someone else "forever" and are responsible for them but =
never own=20
 them. Owners die, change names, move away and items sometimes go =
missing or=20
 are damaged. It is not just individuals that experience these problems =
as=20
 organizations, corporations and societies change names (as yours did), =
change=20
 addresses and usually change key people frequently - and corporate =
memory is=20
 very short. In police terminology, old permanent loans are "Cold =
Cases" -=20
 often the most difficult to solve - and contrary to what we see on TV, =
many=20
 remain unsolved. The current trend is to have loans (incoming =
or=20
 outgoing) of 1 year maximum duration and then both parties must =
communicate=20
 annually (thus the contact name, address, phone number etc. are =
updated) and=20
 decide whether or not to renew the loan for another year, discuss any=20
 condition changes and whether or not to adjust the insurance value. If =
a=20
 problem has occurred (e.g. a death, name change or address change) =
then at=20
 least the trail is warm. The good news is that such an =
arrangement can=20
 be renewed annually ad infinutum if both parties wish. It does avoid =
having to=20
 try to find owners or their heirs 20, 50 or more years after they have =
dropped=20
 off the face of the Earth. I have had to do this type of detective =
work at a=20
 number of museums and it is very frustrating and difficult=20
 indeed. Anyone that enters into a "permanent loan" as a =
borrower or=20
 lender is asking for trouble down the road. Instead, I recommend 1 =
year=20
 renewable loans, a win - win situation. Sincerely, =
 Colin=20
 MacGregor Stevens, Manager, New Westminster Museum and =
Archives, 302=20
 Royal Avenue, New Westminster, BC, V3L 1H7 &nbsp; Phone =
Office:=20
 604-527-4639 Fax:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 604-527-4641 E-mail: =
<A=20
 href=3D"mailto:cstevens@newwestcity.ca">cstevens@newwestcity.ca</A> =
 Web=20
 Site: <A =
href=3D"http://www.newwestminster.ca">www.newwestminster.ca</A>=20
 &nbsp; -----Original Message----- From: Naomi Grattan=20
 [mailto:NGrattan@museums.ca] Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 7:56 =
AM To:=20
 CMA List Serve (E-mail); OMA List Serve (E-mail); BCMA List Serve=20
 (E-mail) Subject: [canmuse-l] FW: From Canadian Association of New=20
 York Please reply to: Dennis J. Murphy Art =
Curator=20
 and Past President CANADIAN ASSOCIATION OF NEW YORK =
[CANY] <A=20
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href=3D"mailto:djvmurphy@earthlink.net">djvmurphy@earthlink.net</A> <B=
R>-----Original=20
 Message----- From: Dennis Murphy =
[mailto:djvmurphy@earthlink.net] Sent:=20
 May 16, 2007 11:12 AM To: John McAvity Subject: Canadian Art For =

Loan Hello Mr.McAvity, &nbsp; The Canadian =
Association of New=20
 York [formerly the Canadian Club of New York] owns a number of =
artworks by=20
 Canadian Artists.&nbsp; Until recently the works were displayed in a =
building=20
 we share with another organization.&nbsp; Others have been on loan to =
the=20
 Council General in London.&nbsp; &nbsp; My reason for =
contacting you,=20
 is to explore the idea of making a permanent loan to a museum in =
Canada that=20
 might be interested in this art collection.&nbsp; &nbsp; There =
are=20
 between twenty and thirty art works and a small number of antiques =
[see list=20
 below]. &nbsp; If you have an interest or can direct me to a =
museum that=20
 might be interested, then I will compile the list of works and=20
 artists. &nbsp; Thank you in advance for your=20
 assistance, &nbsp; Dennis J. Murphy CANY Art Curator and Past =

  President<BR><BR>***<BR><BR>CANADIAN ASSOCIATION OF NEW YORK =
[CANY]<BR>Art=20
  Collection<BR>May, 2007<BR><BR><BR>Artist, Medium, Title,=20
  Size<BR><BR>Arbuckle, Franklyn, Oil on canvas, Cove at Port De Grave - =

Newfoundland, 24 x 30 Beament, Thomas Harold Oil on canvas, =
Northwest=20
 Territories - Hudson Bay Post, 24 x 30 Bouchard, Lorne Holland Oil =
on=20
 canvas, Canadian Village in Winter, 22 x 36 Comfort, Charles, Oil =
on=20
 canvas, Parliament Buildings-Ottawa, 46 x 36 Cullen, Maurice, Oil =
on=20
 canvas, Mount Girouard From Bow River, 24 x 32 Gillet, Langdon, Oil =
on=20
 canvas, Wingashaek Dunes, IpswichBar, Gloucester, 40 x =
45 Hutchison,=20
 Frederick William, Oil on canvas, The Village of St. Urbain, 30 x =
36 Jack,=20
 Richard, Oil on canvas, Mount Eisenhower - Canadian Rockies, 30 x =
30 John,=20
 Augustus, Oil on canvas, The Canadians, 30 x 25 Knight, Clayton, =
Oil on=20
 canvas, Mont St. Eloi-Vimy Ridge Sector - World War I, 30 x =
30 MacDonald,=20
 Evan Weeks, Oil on canvas, A Georgian Bay Island, Near Honey Harbour, =
24=20
 x30 Nicolet, Frank, Oil on canvas, The Nelson River-Manitoba, 36 x=20
 40 Phillips, Walter Joseph, Oil on canvas, Okanagan Valley, 36 x=20
 48 Pilot, Robert Wakeham, Oil on canvas, King Square, Saint John =
New=20
 Brunswick, 30 x 40 Pilot, Robert Wakeham, Oil on canvas, Digby - =
Nova=20
 Scotia, 22 x 28 Rogers, Hubert W., Oil on canvas, Refitting for the =
Races -=20
 Prince Edward Island, 26 x 34 Russell, George Horne, Oil on canvas, =
Breezy=20
 Day Louisburg, Nova Scotia, 28 x 40 Slater, Frank, Oil on canvas, =
H.M.=20
 Queen Elizabeth, 50 x 40 Slater, Frank E., Oil on canvas, City of =
London,=20
 England, 28 x 36 Slater, Frank E., Oil on canvas, Harlech Castle, =
Wales, 28=20
 x 36 Tinning, George Campbell, Oil on canvas, Saskatchewan - Grain=20
 Elevator, 30 x 40 Unkown artist, Painted wood, 11 crests of =
Canadian=20
 Provinces, 30 x 22 Walters, Emile, Oil on canvas, Derelict, 30 x=20
 36 Wilkinson, Norman, Oil on canvas, Dunvegan Castle - Isle of =
Skye, 24 x=20
 32 Wilkinson, Norman, Oil on canvas, The Mountains of Mourne - =
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