[Bcma-l] Funding issues revisited again and again

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This year London Heritage Farm Society received approval for four students
from three different agencies.  The Society operates the farm, tours, tea
room, gift shop, etc. from funds generated from our activities and events -
no operating grants at all.  The students give us the opportunity to be open
5 days a week and this year we can offer a designated schedule for tours,  a
student to organize groups and workshops for school kids and seniors and a
student who is cataloguing and setting up a data bank for our extensive
collection.  The other two will work in the tea room and gift shop as well
as helping out during our many summer events.

We operate in the off season with student volunteers and usually give them
the first opportunity to apply if we receive a grant provided they have
shown initiative and a good work ethic.  The student volunteers are a good
base from which to work.  We also work closely with the high schools,
colleges and UBC who have a program to show students how to complete a
resume and apply for a job.  UBC also reviews the applicants and THEY
forward applications that they feel fit the needs of the employer.

While the granting system is anything but perfect, if it wasn't for grants,
we would be operating on weekends only.  We have nurtured a good and
positive working relationship with the people who approve the grants and
find it pays off.  We have found over the past fifteen years that a positive
attitude has paid off for our site.  We have a grant application data base
that we use and reword/rewrite and use an innovative approach using many of
the "key buzzwords"  without having to reinvent the wheel.  While it is
still a fair bit of work, our grants are our way of life for which we are
thankful.

Ron Hyde -
we're happy at
London Heritage Farm.

  _____  

From: bcma-l-admin@museumsassn.bc.ca [mailto:bcma-l-admin@museumsassn.bc.ca]

Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 10:43 AM
To: bcma-l@museumsassn.bc.ca
Subject: RE: [Bcma-l] Funding issues revisited again and again

June 26, 2008 

Larry:

That is the point - they are not going to change it for us - that is why we
need to change the ground.  So long as we depend on 'them', we will continue
to suffer.

It is nice to know that you do not need 'guides'.  With Wells Historical
Society (of which I am President), the Museum would not open without the
assistance.  However, my major problem is that I spend a good deal of time
writing the proposals, interviewing potential workers, hiring upon obtaining
a grant, only to find that there are no students left.  I recruited three
different times.  The first in March - I had plenty of applicants - but each
'hire' found other things to do while I was waiting for the 'approval'.  I
recruited again and again and got one applicant.  I have been playing this
'game' for 19 years as an 'employer' and another 10 as an 'employee'.  Over
that time there are less and less students to go around and major time is
spent in the grant writing/recruitment process, along with more recent
non-funded/questionable distribution situations.  There is no true rhyme or
reason to the situation.  Arts are a feather in the cap, an social
affectation, something that is not really important - unless someone wants
to pay a million dollars for it or it is the nail clippings of some media
goddess, then you get some attention.  Apathy - what a brutal opponent.

W. (Bill) G. Quackenbush, Curator 
Barkerville Historic Town, 
Box 19, Barkerville, B.C.  V0K 1B0 
Telephone: 1-888-994-3332; ex. 25 
Fax: 1-250-994-3435 
bill.quackenbush@barkerville.ca 
visit - www.barkerville.ca for general information 

  _____  

From: bcma-l-admin@museumsassn.bc.ca [mailto:bcma-l-admin@museumsassn.bc.ca]

Sent: June 12, 2008 3:46 PM
To: bcma-l@museumsassn.bc.ca
Subject: Re: [Bcma-l] Funding issues revisited

They are not going to change it for us.

Of course it could be improved but I think museums must have a built in
survival mode that is not going to depend of whether we get one or two
guides.

We are happy to have received three guides this year, however, if we hadn't
we would still be open and would essentially be doing the same things as we
are now.

Having said that, we all need proper help that is not simply funding for one
student a year.

Our needs and the lack of government support for historical institutions is
far more endemic that that.

2008/6/11 <bcma-l-admin@museumsassn.bc.ca>:

June 11, 2008

Larry:

One of the main issues has been "the vote on the budget" which is not timely
and the fact that there have been issues brought forward about who gets what
funding (I seem to remember someone mentioning this in one of their notes to
the list serve), as well as what is more important to the funding body at
any given time.  A Foundation, or other type of potential funding group, is
only as strong as it members, constitutions and governing rules provide. 

I take your comment to mean that we should stick with a group that votes on
the budget every April 1st and I can chalk one up one vote for keeping the
status quo - possibly with support for the position paper of the BCMA (which
was not explicit in your response).

W. (Bill) G. Quackenbush, Curator 
Barkerville Historic Town, 
Box 19, Barkerville, B.C.  V0K 1B0 
Telephone: 1-888-994-3332; ex. 25 
Fax: 1-250-994-3435 
bill.quackenbush@barkerville.ca 
visit - www.barkerville.ca <http://www.barkerville.ca/>  for general
information 

  _____  

From: bcma-l-admin@museumsassn.bc.ca [mailto:bcma-l-admin@museumsassn.bc.ca]

Sent: June 11, 2008 3:01 PM
To: bcma-l@museumsassn.bc.ca
Subject: Re: [Bcma-l] Funding issues revisited

In my experience, these other non-government adjudicating agencies are not
necessarily any more competent than the government in assigning grants.

In the final analysis it is an application process subject to past
successes, popularity, needs and sometimes connections.

Larry A. Ewashen 

Doukhobor Discovery Centre
112 Heritage Way
Castlegar BC V1N 4M5
www.Doukhobor-Museum.org <http://www.doukhobor-museum.org/> 
250-365-5327 

-- 
Larry A. Ewashen
Doukhobor Discovery Centre
112 Heritage Way
Castlegar BC V1N 4M5
www.Doukhobor-Museum.org
250-365-5327 

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<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D781041822-26062008><FONT =
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size=3D2>This year London Heritage Farm Society received approval for =
four=20
students from three different agencies.&nbsp; The Society =
operates&nbsp;the=20
farm, tours, tea room, gift shop,&nbsp;etc. from funds generated from =
our=20
activities and events - no operating grants at all.&nbsp; The students =
give us=20
the opportunity to be open 5 days a week and this year we can offer a =
designated=20
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workshops for=20
school kids and seniors and a student who is cataloguing and setting up =
a data=20
bank for our extensive collection.&nbsp; The other two will work in the =
tea room=20
and gift shop as well as helping out during our many summer=20
events.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D781041822-26062008><FONT =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D781041822-26062008><FONT =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2>We operate in the off season with student volunteers and =
usually give=20
them the first opportunity to apply if we receive a grant&nbsp;provided =
they=20
have shown initiative and a good work ethic.&nbsp; The student =
volunteers are a=20
good base from which to work.&nbsp; We also work closely with the high =
schools,=20
colleges and UBC who have a program to show students how to complete a =
resume=20
and apply for a job.&nbsp; UBC also reviews the applicants and THEY =
forward=20
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employer.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D781041822-26062008><FONT =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D781041822-26062008><FONT =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2>While the granting system is anything but perfect, if it wasn't =
for=20
grants, we would be operating on weekends only.&nbsp; We have nurtured a =
good=20
and positive working relationship with the people who approve the=20
grants&nbsp;and find it pays off.&nbsp; We have found over the past =
fifteen=20
years that a positive attitude has paid off for our site.&nbsp; We have =
a grant=20
application data base that we use and reword/rewrite&nbsp;and use an =
innovative=20
approach using many of the "key buzzwords" &nbsp;without having to =
reinvent the=20
wheel.&nbsp; While it is still a fair bit of work, our grants are our =
way of=20
life for which we are thankful.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D781041822-26062008><FONT =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D781041822-26062008><FONT =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2>Ron Hyde -</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D781041822-26062008><FONT =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2>we're happy at</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D781041822-26062008><FONT =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2>London Heritage Farm.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D781041822-26062008><FONT =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV><BR>
<DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader lang=3Den-us dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft>
<HR tabIndex=3D-1>
<FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2><B>From:</B> bcma-l-admin@museumsassn.bc.ca =

[mailto:bcma-l-admin@museumsassn.bc.ca] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, June =
26, 2008=20
10:43 AM<BR><B>To:</B> bcma-l@museumsassn.bc.ca<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: =
[Bcma-l]=20
Funding issues revisited again and again<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV class=3DSection1>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" color=3Dblue =
size=3D3><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue">June 26, 2008 =
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" color=3Dblue =
size=3D3><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: =
blue"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" color=3Dblue =
size=3D3><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: =
blue">Larry:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" color=3Dblue =
size=3D3><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: =
blue"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" color=3Dblue =
size=3D3><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue">That is the point &#8211; they =
are not going to=20
change it for us &#8211; that is why we need to change the ground.&nbsp; =
So long as we=20
depend on &#8216;them&#8217;, we will continue to =
suffer.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" color=3Dblue =
size=3D3><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: =
blue"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" color=3Dblue =
size=3D3><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue">It is nice to know that you do =
not need=20
&#8216;guides&#8217;.&nbsp; With Wells Historical Society (of which I am =
President), the=20
Museum would not open without the assistance.&nbsp; However, my major =
problem is=20
that I spend a good deal of time writing the proposals, interviewing =
potential=20
workers, hiring upon obtaining a grant, only to find that there are no =
students=20
left.&nbsp; I recruited three different times.&nbsp; The first in March =
&#8211; I had=20
plenty of applicants &#8211; but each &#8216;hire&#8217; found other =
things to do while I was=20
waiting for the &#8216;approval&#8217;.&nbsp; I recruited again and =
again and got one=20
applicant.&nbsp; I have been playing this &#8216;game&#8217; for 19 =
years as an &#8216;employer&#8217;=20
and another 10 as an &#8216;employee&#8217;.&nbsp; Over that time there =
are less and less=20
students to go around and major time is spent in the grant =
writing/recruitment=20
process, along with more recent non-funded/questionable distribution=20
situations.&nbsp; There is no true rhyme or reason to the =
situation.&nbsp; Arts=20
are a feather in the cap, an social affectation, something that is not =
really=20
important &#8211; unless someone wants to pay a million dollars for it =
or it is the=20
nail clippings of some media goddess, then you get some attention.&nbsp; =
Apathy=20
- what a brutal opponent.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<DIV>
<P><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" color=3Dblue size=3D3><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue">W. (Bill) G. Quackenbush, Curator =

Barkerville Historic Town, Box 19, Barkerville, B.C.&nbsp; V0K =
1B0=20
 Telephone: 1-888-994-3332; ex. 25 Fax: 1-250-994-3435=20
 bill.quackenbush@barkerville.ca visit - www.barkerville.ca for =
general=20
information <o:p></o:p></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt; TEXT-ALIGN: center"=20
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<HR tabIndex=3D-1 align=3Dcenter width=3D"100%" SIZE=3D2>
</DIV>
<SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Tahoma">From:<FONT=20
face=3DTahoma size=3D2>=20
bcma-l-admin@museumsassn.bc.ca [mailto:bcma-l-admin@museumsassn.bc.ca]=20
 Sent: June 12, 2008 =
3:46=20
PM To: =
<st1:PersonName=20
w:st=3D"on">bcma-l@museumsassn.bc.ca</st1:PersonName> <SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject: Re: [Bcma-l] Funding =
issues=20
revisited<o:p></o:p></DIV>
<o:p>&nbsp;</o:p>
<DIV>
They are not going to change it =
for=20
us.<o:p></o:p></DIV>
<DIV>
Of course it could be improved =
but I think=20
museums must have a built in survival mode that is not going to depend =
of=20
whether we get one or two guides.<o:p></o:p></DIV>
<DIV>
We are happy to have received =
three guides=20
this year, however, if we hadn't we would still be open and would =
essentially be=20
doing the same things as we are now.<o:p></o:p></DIV>
<DIV>
Having said that, we all need =
proper help=20
that is not simply funding for one student a=20
year.<o:p></o:p></DIV>
<DIV>
<FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3>Our =
needs and the=20
lack of government support for historical institutions is far more =
endemic that=20
that.<o:p></o:p></DIV>
<DIV>
2008/6/11 &lt;<A=20
href=3D"mailto:bcma-l-admin@museumsassn.bc.ca">bcma-l-admin@museumsassn.b=
c.ca</A>&gt;:<o:p></o:p>
<DIV vlink=3D"blue" link=3D"blue">
<DIV>
June 11,=20
2008<o:p></o:p>
<SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: =
blue">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p>
<SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: =
blue">Larry:<o:p></o:p>
<SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: =
blue">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p>
One of the main =
issues has=20
been "the vote on the budget" which is not timely and the fact that =
there have=20
been issues brought forward about who gets what funding (I seem to =
remember=20
someone mentioning this in one of their notes to the list serve), as =
well as=20
what is more important to the funding body at any given time.&nbsp; A=20
Foundation, or other type of potential funding group, is only as strong =
as it=20
members, constitutions and governing rules provide.=20
<o:p></o:p>
<SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: =
blue">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p>
I take your =
comment to mean=20
that we should stick with a group that votes on the budget every April=20
1st and I can chalk one up one vote for keeping the status =
quo &#8211;=20
possibly with support for the position paper of the BCMA (which was not =
explicit=20
in your response).<o:p></o:p>
<DIV>
<SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: =
blue">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p>
<DIV>
W. (Bill) G. =
Quackenbush,=20
Curator Barkerville Historic Town, Box 19, Barkerville, =
B.C.&nbsp; V0K=20
1B0 Telephone: 1-888-994-3332; ex. 25 Fax: 1-250-994-3435 <A =

href=3D"mailto:bill.quackenbush@barkerville.ca"=20
target=3D_blank>bill.quackenbush@barkerville.ca</A> visit - <A=20
href=3D"http://www.barkerville.ca/" =
target=3D_blank>www.barkerville.ca</A> for=20
general information <o:p></o:p></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt">
<DIV class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt; TEXT-ALIGN: center"=20
align=3Dcenter>
<HR align=3Dcenter width=3D"100%" SIZE=3D2>
</DIV></DIV>
<SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Tahoma">From:<FONT=20
face=3DTahoma size=3D2> <A=20
href=3D"mailto:bcma-l-admin@museumsassn.bc.ca"=20
target=3D_blank>bcma-l-admin@museumsassn.bc.ca</A> [mailto:<A=20
href=3D"mailto:bcma-l-admin@museumsassn.bc.ca"=20
target=3D_blank>bcma-l-admin@museumsassn.bc.ca</A>] <SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent: June 11, 2008 3:01 =
PM <SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To: <A=20
href=3D"mailto:bcma-l@museumsassn.bc.ca"=20
target=3D_blank>bcma-l@museumsassn.bc.ca</A> <SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject: Re: [Bcma-l] Funding =
issues=20
revisited<o:p></o:p></DIV>
<DIV>
<SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p>
<DIV>
<SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">In my experience, these other non-government=20
adjudicating agencies are not necessarily any more competent than the =
government=20
in assigning grants.<o:p></o:p></DIV>
<DIV>
<P=20
style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 72pt; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0cm; =
mso-margin-top-alt: 5.0pt"><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3>In the =
final=20
analysis it is an application process subject to past successes, =
popularity,=20
needs and sometimes =
connections.<o:p></o:p></DIV></DIV>
<SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Larry A. Ewashen <o:p></o:p>
<DIV>
 Doukhobor Discovery=20
Centre <st1:Street w:st=3D"on"><st1:address w:st=3D"on">112 Heritage=20
Way</st1:address></st1:Street> <st1:place w:st=3D"on"><st1:City=20
w:st=3D"on">Castlegar</st1:City> <st1:State w:st=3D"on">BC</st1:State>=20
<st1:PostalCode w:st=3D"on">V1N 4M5</st1:PostalCode></st1:place> <A=20
href=3D"http://www.doukhobor-museum.org/"=20
target=3D_blank>www.Doukhobor-Museum.org</A> 250-365-5327=20
<o:p></o:p></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV>
 -- =
 Larry A.=20
Ewashen Doukhobor Discovery Centre <st1:Street =
w:st=3D"on"><st1:address=20
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