[Bcma-l] Funding issues revisited again and again
bcma-l@museumsassn.bc.ca
bcma-l@museumsassn.bc.ca
Thu, 26 Jun 2008 10:42:50 -0700
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June 26, 2008=20
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Larry:
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That is the point - they are not going to change it for us - that is why
we need to change the ground. So long as we depend on 'them', we will
continue to suffer.
=20
It is nice to know that you do not need 'guides'. With Wells Historical
Society (of which I am President), the Museum would not open without the
assistance. However, my major problem is that I spend a good deal of
time writing the proposals, interviewing potential workers, hiring upon
obtaining a grant, only to find that there are no students left. I
recruited three different times. The first in March - I had plenty of
applicants - but each 'hire' found other things to do while I was
waiting for the 'approval'. I recruited again and again and got one
applicant. I have been playing this 'game' for 19 years as an
'employer' and another 10 as an 'employee'. Over that time there are
less and less students to go around and major time is spent in the grant
writing/recruitment process, along with more recent
non-funded/questionable distribution situations. There is no true rhyme
or reason to the situation. Arts are a feather in the cap, an social
affectation, something that is not really important - unless someone
wants to pay a million dollars for it or it is the nail clippings of
some media goddess, then you get some attention. Apathy - what a brutal
opponent.
W. (Bill) G. Quackenbush, Curator=20
Barkerville Historic Town,=20
Box 19, Barkerville, B.C. V0K 1B0=20
Telephone: 1-888-994-3332; ex. 25=20
Fax: 1-250-994-3435=20
bill.quackenbush@barkerville.ca=20
visit - www.barkerville.ca for general information=20
________________________________
From: bcma-l-admin@museumsassn.bc.ca
[mailto:bcma-l-admin@museumsassn.bc.ca]=20
Sent: June 12, 2008 3:46 PM
To: bcma-l@museumsassn.bc.ca
Subject: Re: [Bcma-l] Funding issues revisited
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They are not going to change it for us.
Of course it could be improved but I think museums must have a built in
survival mode that is not going to depend of whether we get one or two
guides.
We are happy to have received three guides this year, however, if we
hadn't we would still be open and would essentially be doing the same
things as we are now.
Having said that, we all need proper help that is not simply funding for
one student a year.
Our needs and the lack of government support for historical institutions
is far more endemic that that.
2008/6/11 <bcma-l-admin@museumsassn.bc.ca>:
June 11, 2008
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Larry:
=20
One of the main issues has been "the vote on the budget" which is not
timely and the fact that there have been issues brought forward about
who gets what funding (I seem to remember someone mentioning this in one
of their notes to the list serve), as well as what is more important to
the funding body at any given time. A Foundation, or other type of
potential funding group, is only as strong as it members, constitutions
and governing rules provide.=20
=20
I take your comment to mean that we should stick with a group that votes
on the budget every April 1st and I can chalk one up one vote for
keeping the status quo - possibly with support for the position paper of
the BCMA (which was not explicit in your response).
=20
W. (Bill) G. Quackenbush, Curator=20
Barkerville Historic Town,=20
Box 19, Barkerville, B.C. V0K 1B0=20
Telephone: 1-888-994-3332; ex. 25=20
Fax: 1-250-994-3435=20
bill.quackenbush@barkerville.ca=20
visit - www.barkerville.ca <http://www.barkerville.ca/> for general
information=20
________________________________
From: bcma-l-admin@museumsassn.bc.ca
[mailto:bcma-l-admin@museumsassn.bc.ca]=20
Sent: June 11, 2008 3:01 PM
To: bcma-l@museumsassn.bc.ca
Subject: Re: [Bcma-l] Funding issues revisited
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In my experience, these other non-government adjudicating agencies are
not necessarily any more competent than the government in assigning
grants.
In the final analysis it is an application process subject to past
successes, popularity, needs and sometimes connections.
Larry A. Ewashen=20
Doukhobor Discovery Centre
112 Heritage Way
Castlegar BC V1N 4M5
www.Doukhobor-Museum.org <http://www.doukhobor-museum.org/>=20
250-365-5327=20
--=20
Larry A. Ewashen
Doukhobor Discovery Centre
112 Heritage Way
Castlegar BC V1N 4M5
www.Doukhobor-Museum.org
250-365-5327=20
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:blue'>June 26, 2008 =
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:blue'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>=
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:blue'>Larry:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>=
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:blue'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>=
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:blue'>That is the point – they are =
not
going to change it for us – that is why we need to change the
ground. So long as we depend on ‘them’, we will =
continue to
suffer.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:blue'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>=
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:blue'>It is nice to know that you do not =
need ‘guides’.
With Wells Historical Society (of which I am President), the Museum =
would not
open without the assistance. However, my major problem is that I =
spend a
good deal of time writing the proposals, interviewing potential workers, =
hiring
upon obtaining a grant, only to find that there are no students =
left. I
recruited three different times. The first in March – I had =
plenty
of applicants – but each ‘hire’ found other things to =
do
while I was waiting for the ‘approval’. I recruited =
again and
again and got one applicant. I have been playing this =
‘game’ for
19 years as an ‘employer’ and another 10 as an =
‘employee’.
Over that time there are less and less students to go around and major =
time is
spent in the grant writing/recruitment process, along with more recent =
non-funded/questionable
distribution situations. There is no true rhyme or reason to the
situation. Arts are a feather in the cap, an social affectation,
something that is not really important – unless someone wants to =
pay a
million dollars for it or it is the nail clippings of some media =
goddess, then
you get some attention. Apathy - what a brutal =
opponent.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<div>
<p><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;
color:blue'>W. (Bill) G. Quackenbush, Curator <br>
Barkerville Historic Town, <br>
Box 19, Barkerville, B.C. V0K 1B0 <br>
Telephone: 1-888-994-3332; ex. 25 <br>
Fax: 1-250-994-3435 <br>
bill.quackenbush@barkerville.ca <br>
visit - www.barkerville.ca for general information =
</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<div class=3DMsoNormal align=3Dcenter =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt;text-align:center'><font
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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><b><font size=3D2 =
face=3DTahoma><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</spa=
n></font></b><font
size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
bcma-l-admin@museumsassn.bc.ca [mailto:bcma-l-admin@museumsassn.bc.ca] =
<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> June 12, 2008 3:46 =
PM<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName =
w:st=3D"on">bcma-l@museumsassn.bc.ca</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Bcma-l] =
Funding
issues revisited</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=3D3
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=3D3
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>They are not =
going to
change it for us.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=3D3
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>Of course it =
could be
improved but I think museums must have a built in survival mode that is =
not
going to depend of whether we get one or two =
guides.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=3D3
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>We are happy =
to have
received three guides this year, however, if we hadn't we would still be =
open
and would essentially be doing the same things as we are =
now.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=3D3
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>Having said =
that, we all
need proper help that is not simply funding for one student a =
year.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:
12.0pt;margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>Our needs and the lack of government support =
for
historical institutions is far more endemic that =
that.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=3D3
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>2008/6/11 =
<<a
href=3D"mailto:bcma-l-admin@museumsassn.bc.ca">bcma-l-admin@museumsassn.b=
c.ca</a>>:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<div link=3Dblue vlink=3Dblue>
<div>
<p style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:blue'>June 11, =
2008</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:blue'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>=
<p style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:blue'>Larry:</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>=
<p style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:blue'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>=
<p style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:blue'>One of the main issues has been =
"the
vote on the budget" which is not timely and the fact that there =
have been
issues brought forward about who gets what funding (I seem to remember =
someone
mentioning this in one of their notes to the list serve), as well as =
what is
more important to the funding body at any given time. A =
Foundation, or
other type of potential funding group, is only as strong as it members,
constitutions and governing rules provide. </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:blue'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>=
<p style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:blue'>I take your comment to mean that =
we should
stick with a group that votes on the budget every April 1<sup>st</sup> =
and I
can chalk one up one vote for keeping the status quo – possibly =
with
support for the position paper of the BCMA (which was not explicit in =
your
response).</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:blue'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>=
<div>
<p style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:blue'>W. (Bill) G. Quackenbush, Curator =
<br>
Barkerville Historic Town, <br>
Box 19, Barkerville, B.C. V0K 1B0 <br>
Telephone: 1-888-994-3332; ex. 25 <br>
Fax: 1-250-994-3435 <br>
<a href=3D"mailto:bill.quackenbush@barkerville.ca" =
target=3D"_blank">bill.quackenbush@barkerville.ca</a>
<br>
visit - <a href=3D"http://www.barkerville.ca/" =
target=3D"_blank">www.barkerville.ca</a>
for general information </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'>
<div class=3DMsoNormal align=3Dcenter =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt;text-align:center'><font
size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>
<hr size=3D2 width=3D"100%" align=3Dcenter>
</span></font></div>
</div>
<p style=3D'margin-left:72.0pt'><b><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</spa=
n></font></b><font
size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> <a
href=3D"mailto:bcma-l-admin@museumsassn.bc.ca" =
target=3D"_blank">bcma-l-admin@museumsassn.bc.ca</a>
[mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:bcma-l-admin@museumsassn.bc.ca" =
target=3D"_blank">bcma-l-admin@museumsassn.bc.ca</a>]
<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> June 11, 2008 3:01 =
PM<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <a
href=3D"mailto:bcma-l@museumsassn.bc.ca" =
target=3D"_blank">bcma-l@museumsassn.bc.ca</a><br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Bcma-l] =
Funding
issues revisited</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p style=3D'margin-left:72.0pt'><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<div>
<p style=3D'margin-left:72.0pt'><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>In my experience, these other non-government
adjudicating agencies are not necessarily any more competent than the
government in assigning grants.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;
margin-left:72.0pt'><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>In the final analysis it is an application process subject to =
past
successes, popularity, needs and sometimes =
connections.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
</div>
<p style=3D'margin-left:72.0pt'><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>Larry A. Ewashen =
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=3D3
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><br>
Doukhobor Discovery Centre<br>
<st1:Street w:st=3D"on"><st1:address w:st=3D"on">112 Heritage =
Way</st1:address></st1:Street><br>
<st1:place w:st=3D"on"><st1:City w:st=3D"on">Castlegar</st1:City> =
<st1:State w:st=3D"on">BC</st1:State>
<st1:PostalCode w:st=3D"on">V1N 4M5</st1:PostalCode></st1:place><br>
<a href=3D"http://www.doukhobor-museum.org/" =
target=3D"_blank">www.Doukhobor-Museum.org</a><br>
250-365-5327 <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
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face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><br>
<br clear=3Dall>
<br>
-- <br>
Larry A. Ewashen<br>
Doukhobor Discovery Centre<br>
<st1:Street w:st=3D"on"><st1:address w:st=3D"on">112 Heritage =
Way</st1:address></st1:Street><br>
<st1:place w:st=3D"on"><st1:City w:st=3D"on">Castlegar</st1:City> =
<st1:State w:st=3D"on">BC</st1:State>
<st1:PostalCode w:st=3D"on">V1N 4M5</st1:PostalCode></st1:place><br>
<a =
href=3D"http://www.Doukhobor-Museum.org">www.Doukhobor-Museum.org</a><br>=
250-365-5327 <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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